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Theory to explain Telepathy, and other applications

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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 09:28 AM
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Please ask questions, and help me make the theory more concrete... the only information I posses is though my own research, haven't been to college, and i dont know much about neurological processes.

The idea is that your brainwaves can vibrate at a high enough frequency to affect molecules around you (like sound). Emotion is chemical reactions caused by firing neurons and other biological factors. The main point is that it's an energy. This frequency is lower than we can hear (probably 8-13hz we only hear 20hz plus)

This is telepathy, according to my theory. Energies moving along space, moved by vibration of brainwaves, through a medium.

If we relax we lower our frequency inorder to get on the same "radio station" if you will. This can explain "bad vibes" people are emmiting energies without realising it. We don't hear it, but we FEEL it. A subconscious disruption. An interference.

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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: DeadCat

That sounds like a plausible theory.

Is it possible that psi operates on the quantum level. Outside old school academic physics?



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:01 AM
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originally posted by: DeadCat

The idea is that your brainwaves can vibrate at a high enough frequency to affect molecules around you (like sound).


"Vibrate" is very incorrect here. Your brain doesn't vibrate. "Vibration" implies mechanical motion. Brain waves are an electrical field that's the summation of the electrical activity of countless neurons. And that electrical activity is a sort of waste byproduct of what's actually going on. Your nerves don't actually 'conduct' electricity like a wire.

Think of 'brain waves' as the noise you hear outside a crowded stadium during a football game. It doesn't tell you a lot about the details. You get some indication of the general flow of play, and you can spot halftime by the band. But you can't tell who ran what play.



Emotion is chemical reactions caused by firing neurons and other biological factors. The main point is that it's an energy. This frequency is lower than we can hear (probably 8-13hz we only hear 20hz plus)


Emotion is a very complex state, composed of things like body states, glandular reactions, hormone levels, memory, culture, conditioning, current and recent stimuli and so on. It's not a 'vibration'. Further, you can't hear ANYTHING except sound, and your brain doesn't produce any.



This is telepathy, according to my theory. Energies moving along space, moved by vibration of brainwaves, through a medium.


"Energies moving through space" is so broad as to be useless as a description. However, you not only can't hear brainwaves, your brain makes no sound to hear. And on top of that, you've got basic physics like the Nyquist Criteria slapping you in the face. You can't modulate complex data onto a low frequency carrier like a 'brain wave' and communicate things like voice or images in real time. Which is why submarines are forced to use code groups sent very slowly.



If we relax we lower our frequency inorder to get on the same "radio station" if you will.


Except that "lowering your frequency" is a New Age woo term, which does not map onto physics in any meaningful way. The founder of "new age", Madame Blavatsky, chose to use terms from science when she came up with Theosophy, to confuse people in just such a manner.

Your brain does not transmit, and cannot receive, other brain waves. Meat makes a poor radio.



This can explain "bad vibes" people are emmiting energies without realising it. We don't hear it, but we FEEL it. A subconscious disruption. An interference.


You have no vibes to emit, and no means to emit them.

Except, I suppose, spoken words or song. That's not telepathy though.
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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:22 AM
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originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: DeadCat

The idea is that your brainwaves can vibrate at a high enough frequency to affect molecules around you (like sound).


"Vibrate" is very incorrect here. Your brain doesn't vibrate. "Vibration" implies mechanical motion. Brain waves are an electrical field that's the summation of the electrical activity of countless neurons. And that electrical activity is a sort of waste byproduct of what's actually going on. Your nerves don't actually 'conduct' electricity like a wire.

Think of 'brain waves' as the noise you hear outside a crowded stadium during a football game. It doesn't tell you a lot about the details. You get some indication of the general flow of play, and you can spot halftime by the band. But you can't tell who ran what play.



Emotion is chemical reactions caused by firing neurons and other biological factors. The main point is that it's an energy. This frequency is lower than we can hear (probably 8-13hz we only hear 20hz plus)


Emotion is a very complex state, composed of things like body states, glandular reactions, hormone levels, memory, culture, conditioning, current and recent stimuli and so on. It's not a 'vibration'. Further, you can't hear ANYTHING except sound, and your brain doesn't produce any.



This is telepathy, according to my theory. Energies moving along space, moved by vibration of brainwaves, through a medium.


"Energies moving through space" is so broad as to be useless as a description. However, you not only can't hear brainwaves, your brain makes no sound to hear. And on top of that, you've got basic physics like the Nyquist Criteria slapping you in the face. You can't modulate complex data onto a low frequency carrier like a 'brain wave' and communicate things like voice or images in real time. Which is why submarines are forced to use code groups sent very slowly.



If we relax we lower our frequency inorder to get on the same "radio station" if you will.


Except that "lowering your frequency" is a New Age woo term, which does not map onto physics in any meaningful way. The founder of "new age", Madame Blavatsky, chose to use terms from science when she came up with Theosophy, to confuse people in just such a manner.

Your brain does not transmit, and cannot receive, other brain waves. Meat makes a poor radio.



This can explain "bad vibes" people are emmiting energies without realising it. We don't hear it, but we FEEL it. A subconscious disruption. An interference.


You have no vibes to emit, and no means to emit them.

Except, I suppose, spoken words or song. That's not telepathy though.


I think your taking me too literally, because I don't have the correct linguistics to communicate it properly.

By lower frequency I mean your brainwaves. Theta, alpha, beta, gama. Depending on hertz. I'm not saying your brain creates sounds.

I do appreciate your clarity on some points though, such as the vibration notion.
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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: DeadCat

That sounds like a plausible theory.

Is it possible that psi operates on the quantum level. Outside old school academic physics?



Each neuron could be considered a qbit, the brain has 100 billion neurons or so. That is a very powerful quantum computer if you ask me. Imagine the possibilities. Each cell has DNA which could also be considered a powerful computer. Amazing.

You really can control matter with your mind however. Look at your hand, make it move, that is literally mind over matter.

The real mystery is how we go from conscious thought to manipulating our wetware to trigger nerve impulses to move our hand for example.
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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:31 AM
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By lower frequency I mean your brainwaves. Theta, alpha, beta, gama. Depending on hertz. I'm not saying your brain creates sounds.


You said "This frequency is lower than we can hear". It's not only lower than you could hear if it were sound, since it's not sound you couldn't hear it if you wanted to, no matter the frequency.

Brain waves are just waves of electrical potential. It's not even a radio wave. You couldn't emit that low a frequency as a radio wave using a neuron sized structure. And again, meat makes for a poor radio.

And Nyquist is there. You can't get past the crappy information rate. No voices, no visions.

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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: BIGPoJo
Look at your hand, make it move, that is literally mind over matter.


Not at all. Your hand is connected physically to your brain with structures that are specifically evolved to respond to neural states.

Now, if you could look at MY hand and make it move, that would be mind over matter.



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: DeadCat
If we relax we lower our frequency inorder to get on the same "radio station" if you will.


If it were like mobile phones connected to the same antenna then if the brains are like the phones, what would be the antenna's? Just asking because that system involves 3 things rather than 2 like direct brain to brain communication, not claiming that is true just for the sake of argument.

I tend to think brains are like computers and we all have the same code and/or variables more or less thus some people for whatever reason have developed abilities which can predict others behavior and responses to a certain degree, for example those who are highly empathic to others, have a good memory and a keen observation.


This can explain "bad vibes" people are emmiting energies without realising it. We don't hear it, but we FEEL it. A subconscious disruption. An interference.


There's a lot of hidden communication going on between individuals, choice of words, which words were not chosen, (micro) facial expressions, body posture, intonation of the voice (again caused by muscles in the throat). And the brain picks up a lot more than the person is usually aware of, most stimuli is discarded by the brain rather then processed for various reasons.

Not that I would dismiss telepathy, just because there is no proof. If nobody had radio but one country they would look like fools with metal boxes and be laughed at claiming there was an invisible field one could use to send messages across it just like a message in a bottle in the ocean. But I would tend to believe each brain would be able to send and receive on it's own, by using memory (like individual phone numbers) rather than some exterior object through which is communicated. But I do not claim anything nor that this is anything remotely scientific.



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:42 AM
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Love topics like this so thank you OP. Below is a good read if you have time. There are countless studies, theories, and lots of research going on in this field. It's definitely happening but as to the how... we are still trying to figure it all out.

www.jcer.com...



Something is missing when trying to explain the well-documented, so-called strange Einsteinian “spooky action at a distance” 19, 20, 21, 22. Einstein recognized the “entanglement” phenomenon in physics, where quantum state particle pairs or groups interact such that the quantum state of each particle cannot be described independently, but must be given for the system as a whole— metaphorically they “talk” to each other at great distances 23-25 .



In Quantum Physics, this is the linkage of ostensibly separated energy packets, particles, or photons in time and space manifesting at the 3S-1t level.



Similarly, we should certainly try to understand psi phenomena —so-called extrasensory perception and psychokinesis, and even more extremely, the possibility of survival after bodily death. We argue that the easiest way to explain these is by accepting the existence of higher dimension



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:42 AM
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Hypnosis, mind over matter?



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: MamaJ
Love topics like this so thank you OP. Below is a good read if you have time. There are countless studies, theories, and lots of research going on in this field. It's definitely happening but as to the how... we are still trying to figure it all out.


Not the least problem of which is, you can hypothesize your butt off about magic quantum woo, but it's damned tough getting a nice experiment together that actually provides you with legitimate data.



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: Bedlam
Your brain does not transmit, and cannot receive, other brain waves. Meat makes a poor radio.


I hope not, DNA computing looks promising and one day they'll might make an antenna and receiver out of DNA as well. Besides dolphins as well as other animals like bats can send images through sonar, not radio ofcourse but still something and biological in nature which computes imagery from signals.

And the 'telepathy machine' : www.newscientist.com...
Which uses electrodes, not antenna's or anything so it's not like 'energies moving through space' but still interesting.



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Bedlam

Hypnosis, mind over matter?


No. More of a way to get people to disconnect their rational bits.

Certain types of people hypnotize easily. Others cannot easily be hypnotized by standard means. You can get some surface level of hypnosis in a lot of people by doing snap inductions, as long as you don't run into a boojum.


The 'real thing' requires technical assistance, and even the Agency didn't want to use the original version. (it got a one line mention in Marks' book
)



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979

originally posted by: Bedlam
Your brain does not transmit, and cannot receive, other brain waves. Meat makes a poor radio.


I hope not, DNA computing looks promising and one day they'll might make an antenna and receiver out of DNA as well.


Why? It's nearly a exact implementation of a Turing machine but it's not a radio. Phosphates and sugars make for poor electronics.




Besides dolphins as well as other animals like bats can send images through sonar, not radio ofcourse but still something and biological in nature which computes imagery from signals.


Which are sound, and of fairly high frequency. 20Hz doesn't get you much. Not even very good Morse.



not antenna's or anything so it's not like 'energies moving through space' but still interesting.


Doesn't work well and it's a non sequitur. A phone lets two brains communicate too, but it's not telepathy.



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 11:00 AM
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Everything is a vibration, its actually probably very simple.

OP, this is a great theory



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Bedlam

Everything is a vibration



Not at all. In theosophy, everything HAS a vibration. In physics, the small bits often have some sort of quantum mechanical motion. But they never become 'higher' or 'lower' or different, because the 'vibration' is fixed. And the whole which is made of these little parts does not share in that vibration.

Having it and being it are very very different.

eta: BTW, both the Tesla and Einstein 'quotes' are bogus. Before you bother.
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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 11:06 AM
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lol, ok, lets debunk all of the famous scientist and believe you



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Bedlam

lol, ok, lets debunk all of the famous scientist and believe you



Show me something from a famous scientist that backs your assertion. And those inspirational poster quotes about vibrations from Tesla and Einstein are not actually quotes, it's made up crap someone slapped their names onto.


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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: Bedlam
Why? It's nearly a exact implementation of a Turing machine but it's not a radio. Phosphates and sugars make for poor electronics.


Yes but you would have like a seed that's actually a tiny robot factory which could be put into any situation where there is biological stuff which could be used to create new robots. And there's lots more than just phosphates and sugars.



Besides dolphins as well as other animals like bats can send images through sonar, not radio ofcourse but still something and biological in nature which computes imagery from signals.


Which are sound, and of fairly high frequency. 20Hz doesn't get you much. Not even very good Morse.

Still this image would suggest it would be possible to send letters for example:




Doesn't work well and it's a non sequitur. A phone lets two brains communicate too, but it's not telepathy.


Didn't mean to imply as I said it's only interesting because science is busy deciphering brainwaves. It suggests speech can be derived from brainwaves alone, which would be more than just noise as you posted. But as you said it's not telepathy, that is why I mentioned it is done with electrodes, which are ofcourse attached directly to the brain.



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979

originally posted by: Bedlam
Why? It's nearly a exact implementation of a Turing machine but it's not a radio. Phosphates and sugars make for poor electronics.


Yes but you would have like a seed that's actually a tiny robot factory which could be put into any situation where there is biological stuff which could be used to create new robots. And there's lots more than just phosphates and sugars.


Well, you've got two purines and two pyrimidines, but they still aren't useful for electronics.

DNA is great for a template for proteins. Proteins don't make for great radios either. So it's just not a great idea. Waiting for DNA to be turned into a radio is going to be a long long long fruitless wait.



Still this image would suggest it would be possible to send letters for example:


Aaaaaand you're still talking high frequency sound. The OP is talking < 20 Hz. You are going to get s..l..o..w bit rates. Like 5 bits per second, max 10.



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