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So do you have prior witnesses to any of the NT text ? Or is all you have is later text saying that the first witnesses were wrong ?
Can the later text be the base on which Christian faith and doctrine stands ?
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: vethumanbeing
You are assuming that the Creator has DNA ....word on the street is that He is Sprite .
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: vethumanbeing So does He do the reincarnation thing ? or is that just for us poor humans stuck in a perpetual circular circuit of never enduringness ? And if so when did it start and how ?
Originally posted vethumanbeing
This a "who forgives God scenario".
Someone set up a system we all co-exist within as material/spiritual beings.
Within this system are built in gains and losses (consumption=growth and loss of life by others). Wave lengths describe energy forms that can be consumed by those designed to eat those provided to (the higher pecking order).
Our emotional output is the food produced; it is collected and sold. This is why Karma is such a terrible thing; roped in and stuck in the hamster wheel of reincarnation producing continuous negative energy consumed by our creator beings. Why negative? not sure, but is on the menu. Not sure the love waveform is digestible by those evil beings controlling this pattern.
This a "who forgives God scenario". Someone set up a system we all co-exist within as material/spiritual beings.
Within this system are built in gains and losses (consumption=growth and loss of life by others). Wave lengths describe energy forms that can be consumed by those designed to eat those provided to (the higher pecking order). Our emotional output is the food produced; it is collected and sold. This is why Karma is such a terrible thing; roped in and stuck in the hamster wheel of reincarnation producing continuous negative energy consumed by our creator beings. Why negative? not sure, but is on the menu. Not sure the love waveform is digestible by those evil beings controlling this pattern.
Joecroft: This reminds of those “gather round the camp fire” type moments, bring the marshmallows and wine…while someone recites a story yet to be told… Well, Positive is on the menu too…and there’s another dish named “confusion”, people really love that one…oh and then there’s “ignorance” that’s a real delicacy…Is there something I’m forgetting, oh yeah “forgetfulness” that’s the chefs special.
originally posted by: Joecroft
But people follow their leaders and Kings, so effectively and collectively it is “Us” and “We”, because “we” go along with it…
And like I said in my last reply, one can say the Whole world is being deceived by something, whilst not including themselves along with that deception.
Ehrman and Metzger state in that book that we can have a high degree of confidence that we can reconstruct the original text of the New Testament, the text that is in the Bibles we use, because of the abundance of textual evidence we have to compare. The variations are largely minor and don’t obscure our ability to construct an accurate text. The 4th edition of this work was published in 2005 – the same year Ehrman published Misquoting Jesus, which relies on the same body of information and offers no new or different evidence to state the opposite conclusion. Here’s what Ehrman says in an interview found in the appendix of Misquoting Jesus (p. 252): Bruce Metzger is one of the great scholars of modern times, and I dedicated the book to him because he was both my inspiration for going into textual criticism and the person who trained me in the field. I have nothing but respect and admiration for him. And even though we may disagree on important religious questions – he is a firmly committed Christian and I am not – we are in complete agreement on a number of very important historical and textual questions. If he and I were put in a room and asked to hammer out a consensus statement on what we think the original text of the New Testament probably looked like, there would be very few points of disagreement – maybe one or two dozen places out of many thousands. The position I argue for in ‘Misquoting Jesus’ does not actually stand at odds with Prof. Metzger’s position that the essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament. So why does Ehrman give one impression to the general public and the opposite to the academic world? Could it be because he can get away with casting doubt on the New Testament to an uninformed public, but not to his academic peers?
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: BO XIAN
Revelation uses symbolism, it isn't meant to be taken literally.
We read, however, that ‘by her spiritistic practice all the nations were misled.’ (Revelation 18:23) This makes it clear that the great harlot must be a worldwide religious entity.
Which religious entity? Is she the Roman Catholic Church, as some have maintained? Or is she all of Christendom? No, she must be even larger than these if she is to mislead all the nations. She is, in fact, the entire world empire of false religion. Her origin in the mysteries of Babylon is shown in that many Babylonish doctrines and practices are common to religions around the earth. For example, belief in the inherent immortality of the human soul, in a hell of torment, and in a trinity of gods is to be found in most Oriental religions as well as in the sects of Christendom. False religion, spawned more than 4,000 years ago in the ancient city of Babylon, has developed into the modern monstrosity that is called, appropriately, Babylon the Great.
Indicating the non-Christian origin of many of apostate Christendom’s doctrines, ceremonies, and practices, 19th-century Roman Catholic cardinal John Henry Newman wrote in his Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine:
“The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison [the song “Lord, Have Mercy”], are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.”
Rather than sanctify such idolatry, “Jehovah the Almighty” admonishes Christians: “Get out from among them, and separate yourselves, . . . and quit touching the unclean thing.”—2 Corinthians 6:14-18.