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CIA Website Now Has The Lonnie Zamora UFO Case On It?

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posted on Jun, 28 2016 @ 05:06 PM
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Apologies if this has been posted but I did a search and found nothing


I currently have time on my hands so reading is obviously a good time killer, was doing some checking online, primarily for which agencies are still receiving UFO reports (anyone with more info on this, feel free to provide an answer). Knowing that the CIA was definitely one of the main recipients of such reports in the past, thought I'd check out their website.

And to my surprise, the Socorro UFO case, unexplained as far as I'm still aware, is up on the website:

www.cia.gov...

Also included is what seems like a serious, step by step guide in investigating UFO's, concluding with the following:



By knowing how to correctly recognize objects that were commonly mistaken for UFOs, investigators could quickly eliminate false reports and focus on identifying those sightings which remained unexplained.


Unaware to me , apparently this coincided with the re-emergence of The X-Files on TV:



An odd thing happened this past week involving the real CIA, some fictional FBI agents and the oft-disputed truth about this country’s investigation into UFOs.




TextJust three days prior to the long-awaited return of “The X-Files,” the Central Intelligence Agency posted two rather extraordinary items on its official site.


www.huffingtonpost.com...

Why would an agency, which for years has collected yet denied collecting UFO reports, suddenly be so open about their existence?

Additionally, if you are not familiar with the case, then I'm quite sure there are a few threads around here on it, it is also mentioned a lot in various 'best' UFO encounters.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Jun, 28 2016 @ 05:28 PM
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Yes for whatever reasons the CIA chose to promote these files (which were not exactly new) to coincide with the launch of the new series of the X-Files earlier this year. A year or so before that they were claiming that the U2 and various other secret aircraft were responsible for UFO stories back in the day.

When you dig beyond the surface of many UFO cases the fingers of the intel services are often found in the pie.
Whether they had anything to do with the Socorro case is not entirely clear. However it is one of the best UFO cases with trace evidence. Lonnie Zamora is no longer with us but stuck to his story.

Whether you think it has a more terrestrial origin or not , It's still not resolved to this day, and it's a true classic UFO case.



edit on 28/6/16 by mirageman because: typo



posted on Jun, 28 2016 @ 06:06 PM
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Maybe some UFO'S are hot air balloons or orher vehicles used by people traffickers and drug smugglers?

On one occasion I saw what I thought was a hot air balloon travelling overhead against the starry sky in the early hours of the morning. Tried taking a picture with my mobile phone but it seemed to throw out blue sparks on each side.



posted on Jun, 28 2016 @ 06:15 PM
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Their "X file" cases are from the early 50's so just old data. Interesting though they even spent tax dollars on putting it up. Likely to spark interest in kids on investigating or maybe just did it for a lighter side of the CIA on how you look at it. Still interesting. Thanks.



posted on Jun, 28 2016 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
Yes for whatever reasons the CIA chose to promote these files (which were not exactly new) to coincide with the launch of the new series of the X-Files earlier this year. A year or so before that they were claiming that the U2 and various other secret aircraft were responsible for UFO stories back in the day.

Interesting that they didn't bother to mention the humanoids.



posted on Jun, 28 2016 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
And to my surprise, the Socorro UFO case, unexplained as far as I'm still aware, is up on the website:
The hoax claim isn't conclusively proven, but the explanation is credible and it's not entirely speculative with the comments from Striling Allen and professor Etcorn. Lonnie Zamora wasn't in on it, he was a victim, as are people who think he saw something extraterrestrial.

Famous Socorro landing case a hoax?
I've read all the objections to the hoax explanation, and frankly they are all less compelling than the hoax explanation.

To view this source, click on quote, then copy/paste the following link into browser:
web.archive.org...://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/09/socorro-hoax-exposed-famous-1964.html

A letter from Dr. Linus Pauling located within the Special Collections of Oregon State University (where the Pauling papers are archived) provides insight into the true nature of the Socorro sighting. In a 1968 letter to Dr. Stirling Colgate -the President of New Mexico Tech- Pauling inquires about the Socorro sighting. Colgate replied to Pauling by sending back Pauling's letter with a handwritten notation at the bottom. Dr. Colgate writes: "I have a good indication of the student who engineered the hoax. Student has left. Cheers, Stirling."

This telling letter can be viewed here:...

"As a project, a former student of mine had examined the case in the mid 1980s. Using yearbooks and networking, she began calling alumni who were at Tech in 1964. She somehow located one of the former students believed to have been involved. He would not expand on the hoax or have his name used- but she found out it was a hoax. My memory of her investigation is spotty- it was 25 years ago. But I remember that she found also found out through records that coincidentally a rear projection device was stolen from the campus the day of the UFO sighting."

Etcorn was a noted psychologist. He said that the psychology of these Techies was such that they liked to fool those who they thought were foolish.

We discussed how the pranksters may have incorporated 1) a large helium balloon resting on the desert floor to appear "landed" and then released up into the air on cue. Perhaps it was a reflective white colored balloon or a balloon fitted over with glossy-white craft paper- with added "landing struts" and a red insignia drawn on its side 2) "roaring" or "whining" explosives, pyrotechnics, model rockets, thrown flares or a flame device 3) smaller students dressed in white lab coats acting as the "aliens" and 4) the digging out of "landing depressions" and burning of nearby bushes. Soil or rock in the area may have been "salted" with silicon or trinitite from the school's Geology Lab. And perhaps it was intentional that Zamora was led to the landed craft by a speeding car. One of the students may have purposely engaged Lonnie in a car chase to lure him to where the hoax was staged. Zamora reports that he "broke the chase" to investigate the UFO- just as the students knew that he would.

Though these ideas about how the hoax may have been accomplished are strictly speculative, Dr. Etscorn reminded me of an important fact: Nothing that was reported was beyond the abilities of "smart Techies" to create.


edit on 2016628 by Arbitrageur because: clarification



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 03:26 AM
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originally posted by: Arbitrageur
To view this source, click on quote, then copy/paste the following link into browser:
web.archive.org...

If you remove the "http://" from the middle of the URL, like I did on the quote above, the link should work.

edit on 29/6/2016 by ArMaP because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 06:02 AM
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Shoild also be noted that there are references to other UFO cases on there as well:

Flying Saucers Reported Over East Germany, 1952 (PDF 325 KB)
Minutes of Branch Chief’s Meeting on UFOs, 11 August 1952 (PDF 162 KB)
Flying Saucers Reported Over Spain and North Africa, 1952 (PDF 266 KB)
Survey of Flying Saucer Reports, 1 August 1952 (PDF 175 KB)
Flying Saucers Reported Over Belgian Congo Uranium Mines, 1952 (PDF 262 KB)


Scientific Advisory Panel on Unidentified Flying Objects, 14-17 January 1953 (PDF 907 KB)
Office Memorandum on Flying Saucers, 15 March 1949 (PDF 110 KB)
Memorandum to the CIA Director on Flying Saucers, 2 October 1952 (PDF 443 KB)
Meeting of the OSI Advisory Group on UFOs, 21 January 1953 (PDF 194 KB)
Memorandum for the Record on Flying Saucers, 3 December 1952 (PDF 179 KB)

In regards to the hoax suggestion, given agencies like the CIA and their attitudes towards the phenomenon ie. saying one thing to the public and doing another behind the scenes, it is still strange why all of a sudden they would post these cases up. As to address the actual accusation of the Socorro case being a hoax, it is flimsy at best in my opinion, especially if you covered the original source material.

I'm quite sure that in regards to all the 'classic' cases, some piece of information will surface along the years saying something contradictory to the original story, thus placing it in a bad light, which I'm sure is enough to put off anyone new to the subject, which is probably the tactic. However if the debunkers wish to attempt these tactics against all of the aforementioned cases as in brick by brick, then surely they realize that the wall is way too big for them to destroy that way. It would only take one case of high strangeness after all to prove that something is going on in which TPTB have no answer, and there are many examples



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 10:43 AM
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a reply to: Zcustosmorum



As to address the actual accusation of the Socorro case being a hoax, it is flimsy at best in my opinion, especially if you covered the original source material.


I really doubt the hoax explanation as well (way too much effort for a hoax), but at the same time, the propulsion of the device hardly sounds like advanced alien tech to me. Ive never thought too much of the case.

Kevin Randleand Bad UFOs both cover the hoax conspiracy for those that are interested



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 12:39 AM
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Kevin Randle has added another blog entry to this case for those interested.

One of the posters to the blog, Ben Moss, is presenting this case at the Mufon Symposium in August. (www.mufonsymposium.com).

His main points



In summery our presentation is that this was a non human craft, from who knows where, part of that reasoning because no company anywhere on Earth said it was theirs and would have had to tell either the White House, CIA, FBI or the military when requested to do so.

There is so much information and documentation we uncovered, like what the real symbol was, that our 2 plus hours presentation has to be whittled down to the 60 minutes we are allowed to speak.
Ray has been extremely generous in sharing his data and insights.

Tony and I walked the site in February of 2016, and the hoax theory is not plausible in any way shape or form.



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