Pope Francis says Christians should apologise to gay people

a reply to: cuckooold

The Catholic church should apologize to all the victims of pedophile priests. I won't hold my breath for that one.

originally posted by: cuckooold
So the Pontiff himself has come out and said that not only should gay people should not be discriminated against, but that the church itself should apologise to them.

www.theguardian.com...

Pope Francis said on Sunday that Christians and the Roman Catholic Church should seek forgiveness from gay people for the way they had treated them.

In an hour-long conversation with reporters on the plane taking him back to Rome from Armenia,the pontiff was asked if he agreed with recent comments by a German Roman Catholic cardinal that the Church should apologise to gay people.

The pope recalled Church teachings, saying: “[Gay people] should not be discriminated against. They should be respected, accompanied pastorally.

“I think that the Church not only should apologise … to a gay person whom it offended but it must also apologise to the poor as well, to the women who have been exploited, to children who have been exploited by (being forced to) work. It must apologise for having blessed so many weapons.”

Still not condoning homosexual acts, but definitely a step in a more tolerant direction.

He seems inclined to apologise for other sins of the church.

“We Christians have to apologise for so many things, not just for this (treatment of gay people), but we must ask for forgiveness, not just apologise; forgiveness. Lord, it is a word we forget so often.” he said.

No doubt his words will draw scorn from some, but I think it a positive move from the head of the Catholic church.

I'm not sure if you noticed this or not, but his "apolegy" was a back handed insult.


First, he called gay a condition, which it is not that implies that something is wrong with the person when it is completely natural, far more natural than religion itself.

Next, this scumbag only apolegized to gay people who were looking for god. He did not apolegize to all gay people, only to those who are within his cult and similar cults.

He offered no apology whatsoever for gay atheists, gay agnostics or gay people from polytheistic religions.

The pope is still an epic scumbag and a person who does hate speech.

The catholic church should apologize for turning the other way, and covering up, centuries of pedophilia.

But that's none of my business... *sips tea*

originally posted by: ketsuko
Pope Francis is an excellent argument for not being Catholic. Glad I am not one.

Perhaps he should read his own holy book and apologize for it too? These days, something as simple as Christ's teachings on divorce is "hateful," so I am done being apologetic.

Christ's teachings are NOT hateful, and never have been.

What IS hateful are how people respond to Christ's teachings, because they like sinning more than Christ's teachings, and are offended when those teachings communicate to them, that they are sinning.

Sorry.
Now shut up.
And stay away from the denominations that don't recongnize the LGBT movement, go Presbyterian or form your own faith.

a reply to: DumpMaster

He didn't call being gay a condition. That is a translation issue from Italian.

He also didn't say only Christian gays.

Your mixing up a speech where he was asking why the church would turn away gay people searching for God

originally posted by: CabablancaHizb
You don't even know what Jihad means.

It means people of the Islamic faith in places like Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afgahn, Somalia, Pakistan, use war, terror and suicide attacks to wage a war on democracy and freedom because they want an Islamic caliphate and believe they have Allah on their side and will be rewarded in the afterlife for martyrdom.

That's what it means.

Don't pretend ignorance and play the hurtful card. Everyone knows what it means. You're being a religious apologist for their atrocities to the human race.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

By all means, lambast the first pope who is Christian in deed rather than word, for a genuinely Christian act. Let the dogma you have been exposed to become more important than the spirit and love of Jesus Christ. After all, it's only your soul that will suffer for it.

Facepalm does not cover it.

It isn't a "Christian act" to demand people apologize when they have done nothing wrong. There is no wrong in calling sin what it is. There is no love in telling someone that sin is acceptable. This guy is assuming that all Christians have somehow wronged all homosexuals, and that is a mistake on his part. Genuine Christianity is what Jesus did, in telling those who had sinned to go and sin no more, while forgiving them when they repented.

He isn't telling Muslims to apologize, and they actually kill homosexuals. Yet he expects Christians to do so, for simply stating that the Bible states on the issue? This isn't a matter of dogma. Are we to next apologize to thieves, and murderers, and liars, and adulterers, and so forth? For what, exactly, does he expect people to apologize? He's assuming wrongdoing from Christians as a whole, and ignoring the Word of God, which he's supposed to be promoting, in the process.

As a parent, I have taught my children from a young age about various dangers. I am not doing them wrong by teaching them not to do something they might want to do, when I know that thing is dangerous. Nor am I doing wrong to someone who is homosexual by stating that the behavior is a sin. I haven't been hateful to anyone who was homosexual, including some close neighbors and coworkers. I have nothing for which to apologize, and I won't do so to appease some pope who thinks he gets to speak for everyone. If he feels a need to do so, then that's something with which he needs to deal, instead of projecting onto others.

My soul is secure. I know my Savior.

Come on, you are a pretty clear-thinking person; think about what he actually said, and what he's implied.

There are many Christians who have done better than apologizing. They actually voted for gays to be treated as they would like to be treated (for example, those Christians who voted for gay marriage).

Matthew 7:12 King James Version (KJV)

12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

No, with respect this is nothing to do with him suggesting that Christians apologise for doing their due diligence to ensure the word is spoken. This is simply about the way our communities deal with homosexuality and related lifestyles, without discriminating against people and dehumanising them, without realising that indoctrination has made some congregations cold, dispassionate, that some congregations support and endorse divisive, dehumanising treatment of persons who do not conform.

That dehumanising behaviour is, and always has been an affront to Christ, since it is the antithesis of everything he ever taught his people about love, compassion, and kindness.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Well, I haven't ever attended a church that was hostile to anyone, or treated anyone as less than human, or discriminated against anyone. I am not responsible for places that are hateful. I don't consider it dehumanizing to call sin what it is, either. We can be kind to someone without condoning everything that person does.

Whatever dude.
I will apologize in advance for not believing in your infallibility.

a reply to: cuckooold

We are all human before we are gay straight republican democrat communist socialist black white brown green christian muslim jew hindu budhist pagan.