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The answer to perpetual death at human hands...

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posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 03:06 AM
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There is so much that can kill us without a human touch. For instance: tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, flooding, wildfires, meteor strikes, blight, solar flares, and any occurrence that can be articulated that is outside of a human's control. Yet in face of insurmountable odds that we've survived without eliminating our species in its entirety, here we are! Is it the uneducated that continues to threaten our existence? Is it the average man that threatens our existence due to a refusal to acknowledge that we're slowly killing ourselves?

What is the answer to this perpetual cycle of death that the world has been in since its existence?




posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 03:17 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

The answer is death itself. Nothing and noone lives forever. Not even digital consciousness stored in a mechanical device managed by AI. It too will succumb to the grips of time. Just enjoy the time you got, creating success for your heirs and live it happy.

It is not about not being afraid of death. You must simply not cling to life out of fear. Also, this is not exclusive to a human condition. Every form of life on this planet is destroying others. Thats what life is, a struggle. No matter if you human, feline, dolphin or bacteria, they going to fight between themselves and other species as well. The sooner people can accept what is life, the sooner a person can find peace within ones self.



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 03:20 AM
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a reply to: AmericanRealist

I'd counter that death by human hands and death by natural causes are two different things. With enough things that can kill us without human interaction, why is it that humans continue to kill one another?



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace
we are still but small children. One child has a toy we want , we must take it. Once humanity sheds these trivialities and grows up , these things will be long behind us. A buried brutal past.One can only hope mankind survives till then.



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 03:29 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

agreed, we really are but children. but as children, we learn. is there something we can do to enhance the learning process? or is this something we're just doomed to live with no matter how much time has passed?



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 03:40 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace
Till we can put all the mythological differences between us aside , we are doomed to continue down this same sad road.
Peace



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 03:46 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

I would say the same reason that chimps, bears, tigers and lions, sharks, beetles, ants, falcons and nearly every other form of life has been documented to be doing, competition for resources and domestic disputes.

My thoughts though, humans are trapped in a cycle, and I am not talking about just violence. Our species has a block on our brain that keeps certain abilities from being activated. It is either coming from space, or withing the Earth itself or perhaps both. Only so many humans throughout time can release or defeat this block from whatever entity is pushing it onto us.

Defeating it is like removing a filter that will help us understand existence a little better. As humanity reaches near the end of its cycle of development more people begin to defeat this filter and see the truth. For whatever reason, this leads to actions that expedite our demise and reset of the species.

We have been here before, and will be here again. It really does not matter because real life starts once the mortal body is shed and the energy trapped has been released. At that point of existence all the filters are gone and we experience existence as it truly is, not limited by primitive senses of a organic shell. Problem is there is little one can do to interact or guide the mortal organic realm in this state until the energy is bound once more into a biological state. But once that happens we are limited to the perceptions of organic prisons and any knowledge and experience we had is gone because it cannot fit into our larval state of birth!

I guess, it would be nice to have the answer as to why humans keep being created, and than destroyed and recreated every 10,000 years or so here on Earth. We always start barely knowing what is fire, and then turn that fire into a weapon that can erase entire civilizations in mere seconds. Some of the records survive. They get mostly lost in translation (become attacked to 'religion') or get outright suppressed until near the end of the cycle.

Why do we always have to wait until we die and enter our primary existence to experience the truth, only to be unable to affect the mortal existence that is still left behind?? WTF!? Don't we at least deserve to know a little bit more after 6 cycles (at least) of human creation and destruction??? And why are the cycles becoming shorter??? What used to happen over hundreds of thousands of years has been cut to tens of thousands, and most recently just under 10k.

Perhaps it is possible that humans are naturally beginning to defeat the filters and are learning to develop at more rapid rates with each new cycle??



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 04:19 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

...it seems to be the nature of the beast, beginning with the Cain vs Abel debacle being the first (?) recorded. As more bodies or skeletons come to light such as Otzi, the 5300 year old frozen "mummy" discovered in 1991 in Alps on the border between Austria and Italy, perhaps someone will stumble across another that may definitely point to having been murdered much further back. Would that surprise ANYONE, at all?



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 04:25 AM
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a reply to: Rubicon3

No surprise at all. Humans have been killing each other since the beginning of humanity. That said, will we ever evolve beyond individual gain?



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 04:28 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

I believe that the answer to your question has nothing to do with either the unintelligent, or the average man or woman in the street, aside that they are victims of it, rather than drivers of it.

The cause of death at human hands is not a single faceted thing. Some kill because they are insane, having a disease of the mind which prevents them from being able to reason, and having abandoned reason, have no control over themselves what so ever. When these individuals kill, they cannot be said to be responsible for their actions, because they had no control, or even awareness of them in some cases.

But for those who kill while in possession of their reason, there are many more drivers, factors playing into how a death might come about. There are those who kill for greed, gangsters, drug runners, gun runners, racketeers, muggers, home invaders, those whose motivations have to do with acquiring as much money as possible, by illegal and nefarious means. They are not always, or even often particularly unintelligent people, nor average in the way that you mean it. Sometimes the routes by which a person winds up becoming one of these criminals are not as simply explained as one would like. It is not always the case that an individual who winds up in that life is necessarily evil, but may, just by way of circumstance of birth, or social status, feel confined by his or her environment, realise their lack of opportunity if they play it straight, and fall in with a crowd which seems to lend them power, and offer the individual opportunities to gain financially that they would not otherwise have. This seems, on the face of it, to be a poor reason to involve oneself in anything, but that is because one generally looks upon these things without understanding nuances of the lives that are lived by these individuals before they join such an outfit. Abuse, destitution, sickness of parent or sibling, overwhelming responsibility and a feeling of a lack of power can induce a person to become what they otherwise would not. So environment and upbringing play a very large role.

There are other factors which play into whether or not a person becomes a killer. Whether we like to admit this or not, western society is no less prone to people being driven to kill by religious and/or political propagandism. If you tell a person that their life is in peril, that their nation is under threat, that there is a scapegoat, an entire demography that is at fault for the ills of the whole nation, then eventually someone is going to react, someone who is at the thin end of the wedge, someone who has lost a job, or a family member to one or another incident tangentially linked to the demography or situation being isolated as the threat, by propagandists. Though these incidents can often be linked to one or another form of mental illness, since you have to be insane to kill unless there is a knife at your neck in the LITERAL sense, they are worth mentioning because people being driven deliberately mad by manipulation, is not the same as people being born with a neurological or neurophysical condition, and then deciding to kill. Similar in some ways, but not the same in the least.

Then you have the sort of killing that happens when the sworn defenders of one place or thing, are thrown into conflict with the sworn defenders of another place or thing. This happens, currently at least, when the governments of one group of nations, decide to destabilise another group of nations to make them easier to manipulate, control, and plunder using proxy groups like the Taliban, ISIS and AQ, funding a bogeyman to justify placing assets on the ground in sovereign nations, causing conflicts so huge and staged as to make the body count resulting all the more disgusting and outrageous. These conflicts are generally caused by the very same manipulators as drive prejudice and discord within their own nations, as described in the paragraph above this one.

These last two paragraphs deal with those who induce others to kill by wielding power, both political and financial, with the aim of gaining more of both, and consolidating what power and wealth they already possess. The interesting thing about both of those concepts, is that both killers driven by phobia inflating news media under the order of political and financial blocs, AND those who kill under orders, for a flag or belief, are in a similar position of victimhood, both fooled into fighting one a other under the orders and influence of the same money, same secret masters, same lies, but opposing propagandism.

Much of the death in the world, caused by human hands, is basically rooted in greed, either for money, power or both, envy, fear, and insanity.

We could reduce much of it by eliminating the power structures which are used against us all to control our opinions, our actions, and our pockets, by taking power back for the people, refusing to be placed into blocks, holes, groups and lobbies, reclaiming the power for the individual, and preventing a mass from being led.



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 04:41 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit

We could reduce much of it by eliminating the power structures which are used against us all to control our opinions, our actions, and our pockets, by taking power back for the people...


If that is a call to look beyond nationalistic borders, I can support that 100%. I've been to central america. I've been to canada. I missed out on traveling to the UK with a "youth group" because human trash decided to fly planes into the wtc in 2001.



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 05:46 AM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace
There is so much that can kill us without a human touch. For instance: tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, flooding, wildfires, meteor strikes, blight, solar flares, and any occurrence that can be articulated that is outside of a human's control. Yet in face of insurmountable odds that we've survived without eliminating our species in its entirety, here we are! Is it the uneducated that continues to threaten our existence? Is it the average man that threatens our existence due to a refusal to acknowledge that we're slowly killing ourselves?

What is the answer to this perpetual cycle of death that the world has been in since its existence?


If our body cells don't die when told, but continue to replicate, we call that cancer. Frequently cancer kills the host and does so in a horrible way. So death is part of the balance that we call ourselves.

Also, natural selection operates by killing those unfit to survive, before they can breed. Mutational effects combined with natural selection ensure constant genetic variety. Without variety, a single disease could wipe out an entire species.

So it becomes obvious that death, limited by multiple natural forces and kept under control, ensures ultimately that life will go on. Paradox.

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posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 05:56 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

Indeed.

Looking beyond borders is absolutely necessary. However, as shown by Britains vote to leave the EU, that does not mean failing to recognise that centralisation of power is unhealthy, and should be avoided at all costs.



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 06:10 AM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: AmericanRealist

I'd counter that death by human hands and death by natural causes are two different things. With enough things that can kill us without human interaction, why is it that humans continue to kill one another?


Life is a killing machine. It is an infinitely long line of massacres.

When you see others beings eat each other alive there is no problem, but when humans die, then there is a problem?



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 07:42 AM
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a reply to: AmericanRealist


Also, this is not exclusive to a human condition. Every form of life on this planet is destroying others. Thats what life is, a struggle. No matter if you human, feline, dolphin or bacteria, they going to fight between themselves and other species as well. The sooner people can accept what is life, the sooner a person can find peace within ones self.

Oh well, back to killing each other. After all other species do it.

That kind of logic is whats wrong with the world today. The killers are just being themselves.

W'ere supposed to know better. Sadly many younger people don't consider death as a possible outcome to their actions, they're young, full of invincibility.

Thats why armies rank and file are comprised mostly of young adults.



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 09:02 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: EternalSolace
Till we can put all the mythological differences between us aside , we are doomed to continue down this same sad road.
Peace


Assume that happens. Assume we grow philosophically and morally to we don't kill for trivial reasons. Something would still have to give. There's only so much room on the planet.

Here's a theory: Maybe we use trivial reasons to "justify" the murdering of our fellow humans because we know, on some level, that it has to be done in order to keep the population at a controllable level for the sake of the finite resources needed to keep us alive. And on that same level, we just can't bring ourselves to admit that killing off people for the sake of the living is a necessity that we have to deal with on a mature and responsible level. Since we don't know how to practice responsible growth........hear that China and India?) So since we can't admit that to ourselves, we forgo the mature and responsible reasons in favor of the trivial ones. Like religion. It makes the truth easier to swallow.

Just a thought. Back to work.
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posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 09:31 AM
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Something would still have to give. There's only so much room on the planet.

Yes , this world does have a finite amount of space . However , when you have a chance
If you brought everyone in the world together in the State of Texas , everyone would have 1 ft of space around them .
Only 3% of Africa is populated . 96-98% of that 3% is located on the coast area.
Some research shows oil is a renewable. It is created deep below the crust (near the core) and then pushed up due to pressure.

I believe we have a lot more time than some think. Especially if we put technology to use in the so-called uninhabitable parts.

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posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

noone will ever be able to change the nature of life. Just because we can think and make technology does not mean we can escape the killer instinct. It ca be pacified in many, but there will always be those who will recognize their power over others and use it. There will also be other to step up and fight against it. Humans have pondered these thoughts since the beginning, across time and all empires.
So yes, back to killing each other. Unless you have discovered some magical way to have all humans agree to a single line of thinking (there goes free will), we will be the same as all other life on Earth since the beginning of time. Killing ourselves and others.

It is better to focus on personal success and success for our families. At least then we can make a contribution and a difference to our own communities, and not be destroyed internally pondering how to fix the world.



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: AmericanRealist


Just because we can think and make technology does not mean we can escape the killer instinct.

Don't say "we", speak for yourself.



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 05:17 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

oh, but if someone tried to make you a victim violently, would you not use lethal force? That is the killer instinct we cannot escape, unless one just chooses to roll over and die.



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