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originally posted by: A51Watcher
When you step back and look at skeptics claim of 'stick and foil built alien spacecraft' you realize that this claim is disingenuous because they are attempting to change the nature of what was found by twisting their words.
a large area of bright wreckage made up on rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather tough paper and sticks.
Small beams about three-eighths or a half inch square.... Little members, small members, solid members that could not bend or break, but it didn't look like metal. It looked more like wood.
There were many bits of metallic foil.
...bright wreckage made up of rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather tough paper and sticks.
Brazel said he didn't see it fall from the sky and did not see it before it was torn up
The balloon which held it up, if that's how it worked, must have been about 12 feet long
The rubber was smoky gray in color and scattered over an area about 200 yards in diameter.
When the debris was gathered up the tinfoil, paper, tape, and sticks
...made a bundle about three feet long and 7 or 8 inches thick while the rubber made a bundle about 18 or 20 inches long by 8 inches thick..
the entire lot would have weighed maybe five pounds
There was no sign of any metal in the area which might have been used for an engine and no propellers of any kind.
...although at least one paper fin had been glued onto some of the tinfoil
There were no words to be found anywhere on the instrument, although there were letters on some of the parts.
Considerable Scotch Tape and some tape with flowers printed upon it had been used in the construction
No strings or wire was found but there were some eyelets in the paper to indicate that some sort of attachment may have been used
Brazel said that he found two weather observation balloons on the ranch. but that what he had found didn't resemble either of these.
originally posted by: A51Watcher
The phony weather balloon story was a plant, along with the weather balloon wreckage.
originally posted by: A51Watcher
Apparently he did a good job considering the brand new pickup he was seen driving right after that.
Perhaps you didn't hear Gen Dubose -
"We didn’t know what the hell it was. Nobody knew."
So all that brass and officers at that meeting and NObody recognized it as ordinary sticks and foil?
You said in a post earlier that the debris was being described in terms we could relate to. Now you say Brazels story was planted. The believers of this circus have to create the planted story in order to divert away from the fact that Brazel obviously described radar target(s) and balloon(s) in the article.
A follow-up article in the Roswell newspaper on July 9 is the only contemporary published record of what Brazel said ("Harassed Rancher Who Located 'Saucer' Sorry He Told About It").
It was based on an interview conducted in the offices of the Roswell Daily Record on the afternoon of July 8. The description of the debris he furnished sounds much like a small part of a Project Mogul balloon array, similar to that from weather balloons, which is the accepted skeptical explanation today for the event.
Though Project Mogul was indeed a top-secret project, the neoprene rubber balloons and paper-backed aluminum foil radar targets used in it were not.
In the article, Brazel describes a collection of "tinfoil", "tape," "sticks," and "rubber," which was so limited in size that it could be rolled up in a small bundle.
But then he said the debris took up an area about 200 yards in diameter, vastly greater than the remains a Mogul array would produce.
Apparently unnoticed and certainly unappreciated by reporters at the time were Brazel's final comments.
The article concluded by noting that Brazel had previously found weather balloons on the ranch on at least two occasions, and he firmly stated, "I am sure what I found was not any weather observation balloon."
Brazel concluded by venting obvious frustration, saying that with the possible exception of a bomb, he would never report another object found on the ranch.
The contradiction between his mundane description of the debris and his claim that this was not a weather balloon would reverberate almost endlessly when the Roswell controversy exploded into public consciousness.
In addition to the first-person interview with Brazel at the Roswell Daily Record, we know of three other interviews.
The first was done on the spur of the moment by Roswell radio station KGFL announcer Frank Joyce on Sunday, July 6.
Joyce made it a practice to call Chaves County Sheriff George Wilcox for news leads. It happened that Brazel was in Wilcox's office at the time, relating his discovery of strange debris. Wilcox put Brazel on the telephone, and Joyce proceeded to interview him.
The second instance was an interview conducted at the home of Walt Whitmore, the owner of KGFL.
If the story was planted, how do you account for Marcels interview 30 years later in 1978 describing small beams, foil, and a large debris field, which are the same things as Brazel described in 1947 in the newspaper article?
If you believe most every thing written, how about all of the other witnesses describing the same debris as Brazel?
Did every witness participate in a mass cover up going on 70 years now? If not, point me to the debris we can't connect to pieces that make up the construction of radar targets. I haven't found them yet.
A new pickup truck? Is there anything in the way of DMV title records (or whatever type of ownership verification used in 1947) of Brazel all of a sudden owning a 1947 or 1948 pickup during that week of 1947? Or is this more hearsay stories?
- Neighbors of Mac Brazel, including Loretta Proctor and her son Norris, reported that Brazel returned from his detention driving a new pick-up truck.
According to Norris Proctor, Brazel, who had been “dirt poor,” suddenly had money to buy a new house in Tularosa, a meat locker in Las Cruces, and property in Colorado.
Robert Wolf, also a good friend of Brazel, recounted how he observed him with a new truck at the Mitchell Feed and Granary in Roswell within months of the incident.
Was Brazel paid the reward for the physical evidence of a flying saucer?
originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
a reply to: A51Watcher
You're far too deeply wrapped up in the legend of Roswell and not the initial story.