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WAR: Catholic Archbishop Kidnapped in Iraq

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posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 12:43 PM
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The Vatican has revealed that a Roman Catholic archbishop in Mosul has been kidnapped. Archbishop Basile Georges Casmoussa, 66, a member of the Syrian Catholic Church, has been abducted from in front of his church. There has been no claim of responsibility and the motives as of yet are unclear.
 




abcnews.com
VATICAN CITY - A Roman Catholic archbishop in Mosul, Iraq, has been kidnapped, the Vatican said Monday.

It identified the kidnapped man as Archbishop Basile Georges Casmoussa, 66, of the Syrian Catholic Church, one of the branches of the Roman Catholic Church.

"The Holy See deplores in the firmest way such a terrorist act," a Vatican statement said, demanding that he be freed immediately.

According to reports from Baghdad, Casmoussa was walking in front of his church in Mosul's eastern neighborhood of Muhandeseen when he was abducted.

Mosul is a northern Iraqi city that in recent months has been a hotspot of violent insurgency.

The reason for the kidnapping was unclear, but Christians — tens of thousands of whom live in and around Mosul — have been subjected to attacks in the past.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Talk about being an uncomfortable minority, Christians make up only 3 percent of the population. Tariq Aziz as I recall was the only Christian in Saddam's leadership circle as well. However, will the Vatican negotiate with them? i doubt it and we will see a press release that this is in the hands of god at any rate. Perhaps they may be used as pressure against the United States, but the Roman Catholic churches influence has been dropping in the U.S. since the ongoing priest abuse scandal has come to light.

[edit on 18-1-2005 by Banshee]




posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:03 PM
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Isn't this how a crusade starts. Many catholics may see this as an attack on their religion and brother. All it takes is one spark to ignite a fire.



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:05 PM
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This is Huge. Every action by insurgents such as this actually do more to justify the war in Iraq then discredit it. Lop of the head of an Archbishop and we are going to see how many countries that once left the Iraqi war rush their soldiers right back into the Persian desert.

Iraqi insurgents. The most hated people in the world. If their action is to justify the word of God then why would they kidnap a man of god and threaten to kill him?

Iraq needs to be expunged from the face of the earth in the good of all mankind. That country is a waste of soil.

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posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:07 PM
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Hey, maybe if we can save this guy the Vatican will sanction our crusade?
Just kidding. It would seriously suck being a Christian leader in Iraq right now. The best case scenario is that they'll be treated fairly by a government that isn't strong enough to protect them. The worst case scenario is that they find themselves in the midst of an Islamic fundamentalist revolution. Pardon my bad pun, but talk about being between Iraq and a hard place.



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:12 PM
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This saddens me...... No good can come of it........



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:13 PM
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This is really, really bad.
I can't even begin to fathom the reaction if, forbid, this man loses his life.

*sighs*



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:15 PM
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Iraq needs to be expunged from the face of the earth in the good of all mankind. That country is a waste of soil.


Ah you have fallen victem to the tyranny of the mionority as it were. the insurgents do not represent the Iraqi people as a whole. Its no different that if you held all Jews responsable radical for Jewish groups, or all Germans responsable for the atrocities of the Nazi's etc etc. Iraq is an ancient honored civilization that has, through some of our fault and others, fallen into hard times. That does not justify condemming the entire race at all.



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:24 PM
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No, catholics may see as a tragedy, and wonder how is still catholic priest in Iraq and even a high ranking Archbishop.

Now he is Syrian, so I wonder how the Syrian government will see this. Saddam during his reign allowed the worship of Christians in Iraq, I know they were mostly persecuted after the invasion by muslin radicals, but I though they all left the area.

How sad to used religion for wars.



[edit on 17-1-2005 by marg6043]



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
That does not justify condemming the entire race at all.


I didn’t say that all Iraqi people needed to be eradicated, I just believe that Iraq as a country needs to be eradicated. It's a breeding ground for tortuous activity.

What beheading in the last four years has not occurred in Iraq?



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
The Vatican has revealed that a Roman Catholic archbishop in Mosul has been kidnapped. Archbishop Basile Georges Casmoussa, 66, a member of the Syrian Catholic Church, has been abducted from in front of his church. There has been no claim of responsibility and the motives as of yet are unclear.



The US took him. Or hired somebody to take him. He wont be hurt, trust me. Take a look at another post I made:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Its just more dissention among the people. Like how mainly Shia Iraqi soldiers were used to attack the primarily Sunni city Fallujah. Its all about the dissention.

If the US can get all these groups to start fighting eachother, the war is as good as won. Divide and conquer. Its only logical that Catholics are brought into the fold. Not to mention the global support it could muster.

Man o man will the High Holy King George be on a high horse now....



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posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:46 PM
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I feel saddened that this happened as a catholic, but in reality, even if he is executed, this will have no noticeable consequence on anything.
Hopefully, the Iraqi army will get trained fast enough to help bring order in Iraq soon.


Originally posted by skippytjc

The US took him. Or hired somebody to take him. He wont be hurt, trust me. Take a look at another post I made:


Correction: It is your speculation, based on hatred for Bush administration and no evidence whatsoever, that US took him.


[edit on 17-1-2005 by Megaquad]



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:46 PM
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Interesting that I just searched high and low through the Vatican press office and there is nothing there on this. Maybe they are just slow in updating thier web pages on it. However, it is big news world wide.

Roman Chaolics are no doubt going to express outrage if this man is harmed. Kudos to marg who mentioned the Syrians. How they react is also important.

The questions is:

1) Is it a group out for money?
2) Is it reqular Iraqi insurgents?
3) Is it Zarkawi and his merry bunch?

We will no doubt learn soon enough



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 01:52 PM
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Correction: It is your speculation, based on hatred for Bush administration and no evidence whatsoever, that US took him.


I actually voted for Bush once. So temper your thoughts on my motivations. And yes, its my speculation that this is the case, like 99% of all posts on these forums. Thanks for stating the amazingly obvious.

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posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc

I actually voted for Bush once. So temper your thoughts on my motivations. And yes, its my speculation that this is the case, like 99% of all posts on these forums. Thanks for stating the amazingly obvious.

[edit on 17-1-2005 by skippytjc]

Once, but not second time? That means my statement was correct.
Regardless, this is a news and not NWO section of the site and no matter how senseless your accusations are, they require a little reality check because of their seriousness. Especially since there are people in here who consider everything they read as a fact, and "US took him" surely implies you have meant it that way.



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 02:17 PM
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Can we for once stop this throwing bush in every time something happens. We have someone who is in trouble and some of you think that we did it to throw you off the trail that was not there in the first place. This person life is on the line, think about that first because it could of been you! Next you are going to tell us that we set up the POW of our own troops, made the tapes, slapped them around, and beheaded them.
Time for prayers!



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 02:17 PM
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This is truly horrible situation and the reality behind this matter is very disturbing.

That being said, as a conspiracy theorist i have been researching information which involves self inflicting attacks carried out by US operatives on friendly interests in order to swing alliances/acceptance. In short, I believe the Madrid bombing was carried out by US operatives as a form of punishment/retribution towards Spain's decision in pulling out of Iraq completely. This attack was symbolically meant to show Spain that the fabricated war on terrorism exists close to home and is very much real abroad. If you're not currently aware, many conspiracy theorists believe a religious war has continually taken place between catholics/protestants or aka Christianity since the dark ages. That being said, I can only speculate that the catholic bishop kidnapping is one of those self-inflicting tactics to swing the Vatican's refusal in participating on this war of so called terrorism.

Many believe the religions at war conspiracy can be summed up by two teams.

US/Britain/Israel = Christianity/Jews

VS

France/Vatican/Palestine = Catholicism/Islam

Proof?
*France & Vatican are allies with Palestine hence the Yasser Arafat assistance.

Bah, that's too deep for most ATS members



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 02:24 PM
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I do mean it that way. I put nothing above the current administration ability right now to do such things.

And I was as much of a Bush supporter as anybody. Almost fanatical about it, voted for his father too. But the man has shown his true colors. Actually, id like to think my opinion on him has some weight, due to the fact I have been on both sides with this guy. Just think how amazingly difficult it is to change somebodies political opinion, its nearly as hard to change somebodies religious faith. And I actually saw the light with GWB and changed my mind. I know what its like to believe in this guy, and even that wasnt enough to keep me. The guy is trouble, and sooner or later everybody else will figure it out too.

The US has something to do with this abduction. If not directly, then indirectly. This will only galvanize support for the administration and cause further opposition among the Iraqis against the insurgents.

The timing could not have been better either.

All speculation of course captain obvious



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043

Now he is Syrian, so I wonder how the Syrian government will see this. Saddam during his reign allowed the worship of Christians in Iraq, I know they were mostly persecuted after the invasion by muslin radicals, but I though they all left the area.

How sad to used religion for wars.


They did not leave the area, and you are refering to the Asyrian Christians, the true original people of Iraq, and parts of Iran. They are a minority now ever since the Muslim conquered them and converted them by force, even in the time of Saddam they were being persecuted and Saddam was trying to "Arabize" these Christians by taking away properties and driving them from their lands. Now there are about 1 million Assyrian Christians in Iraq, many live in the mountainous areas because of this.


Human rights groups say the Assyrians — like the Kurds — have suffered under Saddam's systematic attempts to "Arabize" the north, a process that includes driving ethnic minorities from their lands and seizing some of their properties, especially in the strategic, oil-rich northern region bordering the Kurdish enclave.

"The Iraqi government has also forced ethnic minorities such as the Assyrians, the Kurds and the Turkomen to sign 'national correction forms' that require them to renounce their ethnic identities and declare themselves to be Arabs," says Hania Mufti of Human Rights Watch. "In a way, it is a form of ethnic cleansing by clearing an area of its ethnic minorities."


Excerpted from.
www.assyrianamericanleague.org...



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 02:36 PM
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I guess Lucifer has manifested himself in the desert, and the horns will play as God casts himself down upon the earth, Thier he will bring fire in the skies as he cleanses the earth with those who are with him, agiainst those who are against him.

In a nutshell.... Osama is going to kill a Bishop, which is a slap in President Bush's face for his religious beliefs and Bush is going to Nuke the desert, which in turn will make the skies look like fire and then we, "The United States will turn to the rest of the world and march, with those beside us, against those who hate us.

Just My Thoughts......



posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by syntaxer
This is truly horrible situation and the reality behind this matter is very disturbing.

That being said, as a conspiracy theorist i have been researching information which involves self inflicting attacks carried out by US operatives on friendly interests in order to swing alliances/acceptance. In short, I believe the Madrid bombing was carried out by US operatives as a form of punishment/retribution towards Spain's decision in pulling out of Iraq completely.
...........................


Now that's a new one....

BTW....it seems that you forgot that Spain pulled out it's troops after the 3/11 bombings.....not before. The decision by the new socialist government, which the people decided to put in power because "El Partido Popular" was in favor of Bush and they blame the attacks on the fact that they were supporting Bush before the bombings. The Socialists were the ones to pull out the troops from Iraq....after the Madrid bombings.

Your claim holds no ground unless you have proof....and obviously you are not even correctly informed as to what happened in Spain.

The police from Madrid caught a group of Arab men and surrounded them, the arab men began yelling to Allah and blew themselves up, with a few of the police officers....

The facts speak for themselves it was islamic extremists, not the US government....

[edit on 17-1-2005 by Muaddib]



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