a reply to: Whatsthisthen
My apologies for not getting back to you... no excuse just the truth of not seeing your reply sooner.
Well, there is an egg to crack in zen called the koan. Once cracked it's the experience of nature speaking back to you... or energy in a form
unexpected to have a voice.
I'm not familiar the amount of numbers of races etc. people are people and each have their own individual ideologies even if saying they are some
label taken or given, that ideology is twisted to suit their own ego or individuality...
Of course ideologies, belief or whatever are based on the conceptual. In as much as the old adage even though one might call some musical instrument a
guitar, that is just a label for this device that cannot be found as it isnt dependent on the label except to identify it's form... the constituents
that make up the guitar are not only found in other instruments but are a label or concept of something else and on and on and on into infinity...
this conceptual is entropy itself and it all depends on a concept of function or label to exist as what seems to be an individual thing... yet it is
ineffable as it is a myriad of things or simply matter that depends on certain conditions to exist regardless of any label given to them.
Basically all of this formation is matter and energy in a constant state of flux that arises and passes with an infinite potential in arising and
passing from form to form, no matter the labels or concepts given to them, they simply are form and not form.
Realizing such beyond just understanding or of a rote nature of comprehension is direct experience of this. The direct experience of this in
meditation is termed the void or all pervasive space... when ones form ceases to be anything except this fluctuating potential. Of course when one
exits the void there is still form as all of the matter and energy in relative space is already being used as a potential, and only fluctuates when
there is a natural occurrence or intention to rearrange that potential to something else.
So when people all 7.5 billion or so are manipulating matter and using energy to do so, there is typically some intent behind it, natural intent of
course is no different than that of animals to eat, sleep, rest in ease of the body, and have sexual intercourse. Of course the intent that may seem
un-natural is all the work in order to do all of those exact same things... except there are materials involved not typical, and well behaviors not
really different either.
I suppose, it may seem like there is some divinity going on... but what really is the difference between ourselves and animals? We can't say materials
because animals build nests as well, we can't say tools because some apes and birds also make and use tools, we cant say language because even
So how are we really anything different other than the form and the attachment to the form that one calls a self that grasps onto all of these
phantasms of concepts manipulate them by saying they are something other than just a part of experience that is continually arising and passing and
that experience is never the same ever. The experience of such is often termed dwelling the present moment.
However, what is in that present moment? There is form and not form, then there are the 5 senses or consciousness's of each experience arising and
passing whether one is aware of them or not the 6th consciousness or mind is the sponge and filing system that absorbs all of these various
experiences... memory is like sitting in dampness that doesn't dry out, good and evil are like saying I do like the dampness or I dont like the
dampness... then one tries to avoid experience arising to that which they have an aversion too, this comes in the way of control... yet experience is
never the same it varies so holding onto that dampness just builds a bias of that future potential and the ease that could arise from not being so
attached to these perceptions as something lasting... in that judgment of them we've made and then call that conglomerate of experience a self.
There is of course an arising in conscious awareness, the possibility to detach from all of those conceptual arisings or thoughts, this experience is
mental quiescence... the mind does not think about what it sees it just sees unless directed to interact with what it sees, the sensation of touch
does not register hot, cold, cramped or other concepts unless on shifts focus onto those concepts, one can experience this rather easy in hearing
itself. Many fail to hear or grasp what another is saying due to the lack of mental quiescence as their thought speaks louder than the person
Of course all 6 are a sphere of consciousness... if one is engaged in seeing and simply seeing as a perception, then one does not hear the ear, feel
the body, taste with the tongue... of course that does not mean that karma is not present as others attachments and even ones own subtle attachments
can be cause for them arising and passing within ones experience. However in the 4th meditative state at all times it is really no different than
nirvana and in such a manner it and Samsara are no different except in perception.
There arises an awareness in being that others awareness is not the same due to a myriad of attachments and a self that discriminates due to such
attachments meaning the reality itself is entirely different on experience.
In equanimity there is no bias, it is beyond duality so those of a dual nature are constantly arising and passing due to their own perceived
attachments and bias or karma of positive and negative natures that one has saturated or weighed themselves down with.
Of course what I am speaking of with these words is still just concepts... each and every word a concept that one may try to grasp or comprehend...
and do. But holding such experience is not going to help, yet the letting go of it will... as it allows that letting go to experience the reality of
all that is arising and passing moment to moment as it is in its bare nature of being with no support from ones own being in such a manner it simply
is what it is, beyond any label or concept of being that could try to identify it in any way shape or form other than as it is arising and manifesting
beyond all such descriptions.
So experience the void, detach from sense experiences, and develop mental quiescence in regard to all arising phenomena in all sense spheres and
attach to none that have passed. What is left is reality itself beyond suffering, of course there is an empathy towards others that have not escaped
that cycle... and well, pure awareness is just awareness itself without any attachment or concept in it's arising or passing moment to moment to