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originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: 00018GE
A gun is a gun, and guns kill. Forget the rhetoric, this is a weapon that has no place in any civilians home IMO. A personal pistol or rifle for protection or hunting? sure. but a weapon like this? There is no need for the public to own military grade weapons, yes there is a inherent need to protect ones family but assault rifles? Do some of these "enthusiasts" expect the Spetsnaz to burst through their door? or maybe it could be a dozen North Korean sleeper agents!
Weapons like these belong on the battlefield, not in the home.
First, it is NOT a military grade weapon. Fact.
Second, pistols are used to kill far more people. Fact
Third, It IS a rifle just like any other rifle. Fact.
Fourth, It is NOT an assault rifle. Fact.
If you don't want to own one then don't.
Oh, and FYI, I DON'T own one.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Mirthful Me
That's no accident.
Apparently MadMac was not an officer.
But can I refer my leading question to you? Do military officers have the authority to interpret the Constitution or are they required to follow the interpretation of the Court?
AR-15's never were on the battle field. They are NOT select fire weapons.
Many of the U.S. advisors in Vietnam were equipped with the new AR-15 rifle. Rifles began to surface throughout Vietnam, totally outside the normal small arms procurement process. The first troops using the AR-15 under combat conditions were very enthusiastic, preferring it to all other weapons. The South Vietnamese were impressed with the rifle, as well. In December 1961, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara authorized a purchase of 1,000 AR-15s.
AR-15/M16: The Rifle That Was Never Supposed to Be
In 1959, ArmaLite sold its rights to the AR-10 and AR-15 to Colt. After a tour by Colt of the Far East, the first sale of AR-15s was made to Malaya on September 30, 1959. Colt manufactured their first 300 AR-15s in December 1959. Colt marketed the AR-15 rifle to various military services around the world. After modifications (most notably the relocation of the charging handle from under the carrying handle to the rear of the receiver), the redesigned rifle was adopted by the United States military as the M16 rifle.
originally posted by: CaDreamer
i do its called texas....you can buy any gun there even a tank
originally posted by: VivreLibre
a reply to: Bybyots
Oh I wasn't aware that normal civilians can just go out and buy military grade hardware
Do you have a link to where I can go and buy those?
In the United States, M203 grenade launcher attachments fitted with the standard rifled 40mm barrel are classified as "Destructive Devices" under the National Firearms Act part 26 U.S.C. 5845, 27 CFR 479.11, because they are a "non-sporting" firearm with a bore greater than one-half inch in diameter. M203s are on the civilian NFA market but are limited as most manufacturers have quit selling to the civilian markets. New M203 Launchers sell for approximately $2,000 plus a $200 transfer tax, and new manufacture 40mm training ammunition is available for $5 to $10 per cartridge, as of March 2011. High explosive 40mm grenades are available for $400 to $500 per cartridge; however, they are exceedingly rare on the civilian market, as each grenade constitutes a Destructive Device on its own, and must be registered with the Federal government, requiring payment of a $200 tax and compliance with storage regulations for high explosives. There are also sub-caliber adapters available for the 40mm M203 (and M79) grenade launchers, which will allow the use of standard 12 gauge shotgun shells and .22 Rimfire ammo.
Civilian ownership in the United States
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Soloprotocol
My bad, so AR does not stand for Assault Rifle, easy mistake to make for someone who lives in a nation where fire arms are generally prohibited(short of being on a range or for farmers using them for pest control purpose).
Still a rifle that has 20 or 30 rounds in the magazine. IMHO That's still a killing machine.
And if that's not the case, what about all the hunters that favor the weapon in question? Whats there deal, are they just out to wound and mame the poor animals as apposed to kill the beasts? I think not!
Not forgetting that the weapon is also rather easily convertible to fully automatic.
My apologizes all the same for assuming that A.R stood for Assault Rifle.
originally posted by: 00018GE
I get tired of hearing the news media talking heads saying that AR-15's are designed to kill. AR-15's and the like AND military rounds in general are designed to wound NOT kill. Wounding an enemy soldier takes more soldiers off the battlefield than killing enemy soldiers. These kinds of weapons are designed to wound. I don't understand why no one calls them on this more often.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: CharlesT
May I refer you to Article VI.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding.
originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: Mirthful Me
I left because I can't start the loop up again with you beginning at "We need them 'cause "they" have them and we will someday have to kill "them" with them (military assault weapons)".
I don't have the capacity, emotionally or mentally, to argue with someone that does not understand the difference between a weapon and a weapons-system (especially when they should know better).
So you get Vincent.
I have watched paranoid gun-nuts over the years from very close up as they scrabble about assembling their little collection of "tree-watering" supplies.
They make me nervous, and I can skin a cat with the best of them.
Have a better Sunday.
Enjoy your basement full toys.
ETA: I'll keep going till you get back:
So, listen. It dawned on me this morning as I lay in bed that this argument about the assault rifles, the one that you and I and everyone else is engaged in is especially pernicious and poisonous.
I can't believe what I am hearing from some of my own family members and I realized that if I weren't careful that I might find myself on the nasty-end of an estranged relationship with one or more of them if I didn't just shut up.
Which is, again, why you got Vincent.
I mean, it's not like you haven't seen me around here forever, I was just trying to be funny and then you were all serious and called me a coward.
So....I've decided to just lose you, instead of any family members. I'll just hack it out here with you in simulation instead of taking the show on the road.
Because if I did, I would find that the only argument that folks like you have is: "But we needs them because "theys" have them.
You have no goddamned argument.
All you have is an emotional plea directed at a document that no longer properly serves the people that have depended on its mandates.
P.S. How's that basement? (do you really think I live in my Mom's basement?)
P.S. How was Church? Did you nervously "joke" about assault rifles with your cronies?
originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: game over man
Why should it be in "Skunkworks"?
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