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Objective moral values do exist.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall
Are you claiming the moral argument affirms the consequent? That would be like saying:
If P then Q
Q
Therfore P..
This is a formal fallacy as both premises could be true but the conclusion wouldnt follow. This is not the format of the moral argument.
This statement blows your whole argument out of the water. There's no evidence whatsoever that objective morality exists. Morality is subjective. Always has been. Always will be.
I said in the OP I do not care if you think the premises are sound
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
If God does not exists, then objective moral values do not exists.
Objective moral values do exists.
Therefore God Exists.
I am about to show you without a shadow of a doubt this is a clear and simple deductive argument that is logically valid by rules of logical inference. If you continue to think it is not logically valid you've simply gone from ignorance to stupidity so pay close attention:
¬ - negation of the statement.
p - God exists
q- Objective Moral Values Exists
originally posted by: TheFlyOnTheWall
a reply to: In4ormant
Not if any right minded parent can help it. That's why training wheels are a big seller.
Yes you did. So you are saying that you have proof that God exists if we assume two premises.
One. That God does not exist, therefore objective morals to not exist. I call this a huge assumption but for the sake of your argument I am willing to accept it as a premise. Two. That objective morals DO exist. Again I see this a grand assumption, but for the sake of your argument, I will also take it as your second premise.
Conclusion. If ONE, and Two, then God exists. Ok. I see it now. The presence of the second premise negates the first premise from the equation. It simply says that the first premise does not exist and relies on it's own assumption of truth as being all that is necessary to prove itself.
Please explain to me how this whole exercise is logically valid. One premise negates another premise. No, never mind, I think I would just prefer to remain, as you say, stupid.
Secondly, logic is a tool, but it doesn't prove anything outside its parameters. You could plug any statements in there you wanted, but q has to be TRUE before you can infer P, and you have no proof at all that q is true. You've proven nothing.