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Could the Muslim immigration problem be a ploy to break up the EU?

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posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 10:17 PM
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I've seen several sources who have reported that the Brexit happened because of immigration.

Yes, the Brexit is about immigration

Consider the following:


Last Friday, Ms Le Pen had told a gathering of far-right parties in Vienna: "France has possibly 1,000 more reasons to want to leave the EU than the English."

She said the EU was responsible for high unemployment and failing to keep out "smugglers, terrorists and economic migrants".

Mr Wilders, leader of the Party for Freedom in the Netherlands, said in a statement: "We want to be in charge of our own country, our own money, our own borders, and our own immigration policy.

"As quickly as possible the Dutch need to get the opportunity to have their say about Dutch membership of the European Union."

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I don't have any direct evidence to support the theory but...

Could it be the Hegelian dialectic at work?

Problem: Muslim immigration

Reaction: The masses scream, "We need to secure our borders."

Solution: Disband the EU.

I've been looking for a motive for the Muslim immigration problem in Europe, and I couldn't find one. I don't believe the global elite care about Muslims in the Middle East at all.

The theory I'm proposing gives us a motive for allowing the Muslim immigration problem in the EU. If there are powerful forces within the countries of the EU who want to disband it, the Muslim immigration problem would be a perfect way to spur the people to vote to get out.
edit on 24-6-2016 by Profusion because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 10:20 PM
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Why do the global elite care about the disintegration of the EU? The only thing I can gather would be new blood challenging old blood. The old elite want further integration not disintegration.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 10:23 PM
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They are destroying the culture.

Break it down, build a new one.

Problem reaction solution.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

The Elite don't want less consolidation they want more. It is easier to control the people with a centralized government. I think they just thought that people would listen to the MSM and the official narrative they feed us and people. Their problem is that people have started to figure them out.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

I stand by my prediction it won't happen.

False flag incoming.

The EU needs an enemy if it's going to stick together.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 10:26 PM
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Could the Muslim immigration problem have been a ploy to break up the EU?

No.

The EU's problems began long before immigration.

Which was their populations stuck on the ID complex of 'I Want' without so much as a thought what pays for it all.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

I have a different theory.
The immigrants are welcomed en mass to bring in the clash of cultures whereby the Governments allow the Radical Islamists to engage in terrorism and favour Islam over Christianity which will see a rise in the far right by way of resentment.
After more coming terrorist attacks in Europe the people will demand something should be done which will have everyone on a Biometric data system and RFID chips and the ending of cash and the implementation of martial law.
The Governments will then crack down on the Muslims and the far right and everyone else will not be able to fart without some permit off the Governments.

Another way to say it is the migrants are being used to usher in a draconian anti democratic 1984 distopia using social engineering to propagandize the people to accept their own slavery by pretending to fight the war on terrorism.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

Ask Russia, and ask them why they keep funding far right movements in Europe.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: southbeach
a reply to: Profusion

I have a different theory.
The immigrants are welcomed en mass to bring in the clash of cultures whereby the Governments allow the Radical Islamists to engage in terrorism and favour Islam over Christianity which will see a rise in the far right by way of resentment.
After more coming terrorist attacks in Europe the people will demand something should be done which will have everyone on a Biometric data system and RFID chips and the ending of cash and the implementation of martial law.
The Governments will then crack down on the Muslims and the far right and everyone else will not be able to fart without some permit off the Governments.

Another way to say it is the migrants are being used to usher in a draconian anti democratic 1984 distopia using social engineering to propagandize the people to accept their own slavery by pretending to fight the war on terrorism.


And if it wasn't Muslims, it would be someone else, as it will be anyway, one after another after another . Oh yea, southbeach. You got it.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 10:56 PM
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originally posted by: defiythelie
a reply to: Profusion

Ask Russia, and ask them why they keep funding far right movements in Europe.

Kinda funny huh? Used to be that Russia was funding the left.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: southbeach
a reply to: Profusion

I have a different theory.
The immigrants are welcomed en mass to bring in the clash of cultures whereby the Governments allow the Radical Islamists to engage in terrorism and favour Islam over Christianity which will see a rise in the far right by way of resentment.
After more coming terrorist attacks in Europe the people will demand something should be done which will have everyone on a Biometric data system and RFID chips and the ending of cash and the implementation of martial law.
The Governments will then crack down on the Muslims and the far right and everyone else will not be able to fart without some permit off the Governments.

Another way to say it is the migrants are being used to usher in a draconian anti democratic 1984 distopia using social engineering to propagandize the people to accept their own slavery by pretending to fight the war on terrorism.


And if it wasn't Muslims, it would be someone else, as it will be anyway, one after another after another . Oh yea, southbeach. You got it.


I am not so sure about. The situation was caused by a invasion, there was not just a select few Muslims that entered the UK but hundreds of thousands that have now multiplied almost beyond measure. If there was a high number of people coming in that where seen as positive for the country such as the number of south east asians that will normally going into the medical fields then you would hear anything.

There are mass muslim areas now in the UK and behind them is a copius amount waiting. A high number are low skilled and tend to not agree with western life so how would this situation be good for the country or the people??.

A small number of people in key worker positions will enrich the country, A large number of low skilled migrants is a invasion. Have you seen London????



RA
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posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 11:29 PM
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originally posted by: slider1982

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

originally posted by: southbeach
a reply to: Profusion

I have a different theory.
The immigrants are welcomed en mass to bring in the clash of cultures whereby the Governments allow the Radical Islamists to engage in terrorism and favour Islam over Christianity which will see a rise in the far right by way of resentment.
After more coming terrorist attacks in Europe the people will demand something should be done which will have everyone on a Biometric data system and RFID chips and the ending of cash and the implementation of martial law.
The Governments will then crack down on the Muslims and the far right and everyone else will not be able to fart without some permit off the Governments.

Another way to say it is the migrants are being used to usher in a draconian anti democratic 1984 distopia using social engineering to propagandize the people to accept their own slavery by pretending to fight the war on terrorism.


And if it wasn't Muslims, it would be someone else, as it will be anyway, one after another after another . Oh yea, southbeach. You got it.


I am not so sure about. The situation was caused by a invasion, there was not just a select few Muslims that entered the UK but hundreds of thousands that have now multiplied almost beyond measure. If there was a high number of people coming in that where seen as positive for the country such as the number of south east asian that will normally going into the medical fields then you would hear nothing.

There are mass muslim areas now in the UK and behind them is a copius amount waiting. A high number are low skilled and tend to not agree with western life so how would this situation be good for the country or the people??.

A small number of people in key worker positions will enrich the country, A large number of low skilled migrants is a invasion. Have you seen London????



RA


I don't disagree. What I said was that if it 'wasn't', it would be some one else. It has always been 'someone else'. So yeah, bring in low skilled workers and undermine the labor market. Old old capitalist game. Ratchet up the propaganda machine and stir the native workers into a boil. Pop. This destabilization that is happening now? In England, in the US? People think they are fighting for their freedom and winning. Fah, This period that now smells like a turn to more freedom will pop us right into the hands of the new world order. All those who have been pointing to it and pointing to it and saying it's over there its over there don't know that it is really right behind their backs. And they will walk run and charge forward for it willingly.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 03:57 AM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Suadia Arabia and a whole host of Arabic countries have let zero migrants in yet the West is guilt tripped into letting in Millions which is basically suicide unless of course they are being used as pawns which I firmly believe.

The Brexit though has me confused at the moment as I thought the votes would be rigged to keep us in.
Perhaps it's another insidious plan I have not got my head around yet or there are people in the British intelligence services that know whats going on and made sure the voting system was not falsified but I digress.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 05:13 AM
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You would have to ask IF there is a Muslim immigration problem in the first place, then if there is look at why.

I don't know if there truly is a "problem". If you look at the media they certainly "tell" us there is, but of course you can always rely on the media to tell the truth can't you?

At ground level it certainly looks like it too with schools, hospitals, housing and GPs in crisis. But can also this apparent problem be created by closing hospitals, closing schools and not building enough housing, coupled with encouraging denser populations?

The main immigration argument of Brexit was to have a points system like Australia and Canada and take back control. We want to be able to control numbers entering rather than having uncontrolled migration. This argument can be readily skewed so that it is racist (but are Australia and Canada racist in having a points system?) in suggesting this and already has the pre-existing racist slurs attributed to UKIP.

I would also suggest that in addition to not having accurate numbers, the UK govt have NO IDEA who has come in the UK, where they came from and where they are now and what they are doing. This information would be required to make sure that we have the correct resources for the population as a whole.

Furthermore British expats are rarely mentioned at all in ANY immigration discussion. To have a balance they should be and I am surprised they haven't as I doubt that this demographic is made up of people leaving the UK to escape from political, social or religious persecution, economic suppression/hardship or anything else. It struck me that this could have been used to further highlight the argument that these "nasty" immigrants are coming here to take our jobs, get free health, get houses etc. etc. and further polarise the population (remember divide and conquer).

The same can be said for jobs and unemployment BTW. The creation of jobs doesn't match the current skills of the workforce which in turn is affected by education policy (which as we all know keeps on being changed and conspiracy theorists would also say dumbed-down).

If we need more nurses and teachers and education is not producing them then this need will not be met. Equally is the demographics of skills and jobs. If you have an area where there is a predominance of manual driven skills say coal mining then creating lots of office jobs is the wrong kind of job and will not satisfy the skill available. And whoopie-doo when the government has just created x number of 1,000 jobs. This is great but does is meet the available supply of skills and from which group of people?


Edit to add: Just to make it clear I'm suggesting and exploring ideas here - not saying these are my views

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posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 05:21 AM
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originally posted by: southbeach
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

The Brexit though has me confused at the moment as I thought the votes would be rigged to keep us in.
Perhaps it's another insidious plan I have not got my head around yet or there are people in the British intelligence services that know whats going on and made sure the voting system was not falsified but I digress.


Me too. I assumed from the first mention of an EU referendum that it would be Remain. The night of the vote, even when the result started to lean to Leave, I assumed this. As it was only the fourth (or fifth) and there were hundreds more to come. So off I went to bed expecting to wake up to a Remain result in the morning.

It was a little bit like watching Eurovision except more drawn out - a little of of hope at the start, but you know whats going to happen and UK ends up third from the bottom.


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posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 05:48 AM
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originally posted by: YarlanZey
You would have to ask IF there is a Muslim immigration problem in the first place, then if there is look at why.

I don't know if there truly is a "problem". If you look at the media they certainly "tell" us there is, but of course you can always rely on the media to tell the truth can't you?

At ground level it certainly looks like it too with schools, hospitals, housing and GPs in crisis. But can also this apparent problem be created by closing hospitals, closing schools and not building enough housing, coupled with encouraging denser populations?

The main immigration argument of Brexit was to have a points system like Australia and Canada and take back control. We want to be able to control numbers entering rather than having uncontrolled migration. This argument can be readily skewed so that it is racist (but are Australia and Canada racist in having a points system?) in suggesting this and already has the pre-existing racist slurs attributed to UKIP.

I would also suggest that in addition to not having accurate numbers, the UK govt have NO IDEA who has come in the UK, where they came from and where they are now and what they are doing. This information would be required to make sure that we have the correct resources for the population as a whole.



Why bother staying in a country when you can enter the UK and live like a king (relative). There is no mass immigration of UK born migrants heading out of the UK is there, it is a one way sliding door. I think the number of UK expats in other EU countries is something like 1.5 million (do not quote me) and many of them will be retired, my borough of London has more foreign nationals than that!!!!.

Housing is a problem and so is kids getting fat because all the playing fields have been turned into and I quote "low cost" housing, costing the very cheap sum of 1/2 million quid each. How can a island the size of the UK sustain the population and forecast growth model??. The NHS, well my wife (who I met in the UK) was in a key worker position (OR NURSE) and is of south east Asian heritage she was here on a 3 year visa working for BUPA and the NHS, the current Visa situation is so flooded with ongoing appeals and applications from people using the court of human rights to tie their cases up for decades who have zero right to be here that it took us over 5 years to secure a residence permit and in that time she was unable to work, how many people do you think she could have helped in that time.. We have lost thousands of key workers this way, mid wifes, nurses and specialists and allowed low skilled people in that only lower the living wage for British workers. There is a very real chance my child will not have a school place local to us in east London what does that tell you..

Again regarding illegals all ready here, it is so hard to deport anyone due to EU legislation many are simply apprehended then allowed to go to report at a later date. I work in a Pan London roll I see it daily..


RA



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 06:57 AM
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I though the plan was to force Muslim on all countries so that EU would have a citizen base in every country doing their bidding at the same time as creating internal problems so that there was a need for cramping down on civil liberties of all. At the same time making the migration issue and the resulting criminal behavior from part of the migrants give the leaders a democratic consent to whatever war they wanted to create in the middle east pushing Sunni/US/Israel side vs Shia/Russia side.

The UK leaving was from my point of view a Anti IMF/Centralization move and not part of the plan that you can notice in the media how they spin that leaving is a mistake.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

From your own source
www.marketplace.org...


The target for this hardened stance on immigration was Europe itself:in particular, Eastern Europeans from countries like Poland, who have been moving to Britain in large numbers over the past decade or so.


Obviously the IMF policies have been used to steal national assets and bring in austerity (more profits for multinationals) for the taxpayers of Europe. As the people react there has been a rise of nationalism and far right parties gaining more votes.

The Islamification of Europe is playing out its part

en.wikipedia.org...


gatesofvienna.net...



The EU considers so-called Islamophobia to be a serious threat that must be actively combated.Yet the EU does not even have a word for Infidelophobia, the hatred and loathing many Muslims feel for fellow human beings who are not Muslims. This Infidelophobia is directly encouraged by the Koran and Islamic religious teachings. Nor does the EU seem particularly concerned about Europhobia, the hatred and loathing of native Europeans and their culture. The organization has no plan to combat the violence and abuse directed against Europeans by certain immigrant groups. Perhaps the EU elites do not consider this to constitute a problem?......

This is dangerously close to Communist ways of thinking. Years of “anti-racist” indoctrination permeates society with an intensity that almost resembles a form of brainwashing. To be branded a “racist” under Multiculturalism, especially if you happen to have a white skin, is comparable to being labeled an “enemy of the people” under Communism. It signals that you are an evil person, a kind of weed in the ideological flowerbed that needs to be weeded out by expert gardeners.



www.crisismagazine.com...

Repeating 1939: The Islamization of the West
WILLIAM KILPATRICK


The evidence for Islamization in Europe that Blankley pointed to in 2005 is far more abundant than it was when he wrote. But rather than go over facts that have been chronicled in detail in numerous recent books and articles, let’s ask why Westerners have so much difficulty in recognizing what should be obvious. Part of the difficulty lies in the natural tendency to “forget the distant past” and assume that the status quo will continue. In our times this tendency is exacerbated by a greater than usual disconnect from the past. Modern man has difficulty remembering the near past, let alone the distant past. To a generation hooked on the sensation of the moment, 9/11 already seems like ancient history. So does the Beslan atrocity, the London tube bombing, and the month-long rioting in three hundred French cities that occurred in 2005.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 07:23 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus




The Elite don't want less consolidation they want more. It is easier to control the people with a centralized government


I suspect this will happen if tensions rise between EU nations - it doesn't help that the US and NATO encircle Russia. It has all the hallmarks of the changing of Empires. ie the 30 years prior to WWI. All it would take is some assassination or incursion over air space once too often and the powder keg will ignite. The centralized Govt will arise out of the ashes - it will be fascist, with the suspension of normal "democratic" attrributes all in the name of a State of Emergency.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 07:32 AM
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Before every big change, the fall guy must be found and used, WW2 it was the Jews, in Russia now its the LGBT, they are been used to bring the people togather with something in common to hate and blame. So there is a big change in Europe coming and the Muslims are a perfect chouce, the refuggs are low IQ, a strange culture, of no use to Europe , and dont want to intergrate. Muslim leaders are been used and think that they can now make Europe muslim. The people of Europe are starting to rebel and new leaders are seen to be coming to the forefrount. The change is coming (I dont know what it is) and the muslims are been used as the fallguys. If I were a muslim in Europe I would be leaving now.




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