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FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lovers

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posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 07:05 PM
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I don't understand why it's important if he was gay or not...he was planning on killing as many gay people as possible in the name of ISIS, and he did, that is a fact.




posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: VivreLibre

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: VivreLibre

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: VivreLibre

If only those people could provide some evidence.



How do you provide evidence that you talked to someone who is now dead?

Do you go around filming your interactions between people?



If there are communications between them and mateen, there is a record of it.


Records can be faked. It's the digital age. Photographs can be photo-shopped. Emails can be artificially inserted into the computer records.



Maybe one of them can come forward with their proof that they were in fact having sexual and/or romantic contact with Mateen.


Maybe if one of them was clever like Bill Clinton's Mistress, and kept some clothes with spilled semen on it, they could do some DNA testing and prove this. But, who goes around collecting semen from lovers, when those lovers aren't somebody important like the President of the US?

Why are witness statements not valid in this case?

We use them in courts all the time.



. . . the FBI says they haven't come across any.


What is the name of the FBI agent/director who stated this?


You have neglected to read the multiple articles covering this exact topic.

You have bought into an unsubstantiated story about Omar being gay. No one making this claim has come forward with any proof of this. It's so unfounded that you can't even connect dots to make a conspiracy out of it. Yet, it sounds nice to you that he was a frustrated closeted gay instead of a boogeymonster. Evidence points towards a more obvious explanation, but why look at that when you can continue to believe in and spread a lie?

You can't hide under the covers forever.


No, I haven't

All I asked for is the name of the FBI agent/director who is stating he's not gay.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: VivreLibre

Maybe you ought to work on your reading comprehension then.

Your pyrrhonian approach serves no purpose and, if you really think that way, I have to wonder why you even bother to post in these threads.


I gave you all my news links.

You gave none.

Except you keep referring to emotional appeals to divert the issue away from what the news actually says.

Why can't you back up your claim of evidence with at least one reference?

Just one "proof" that Mateen wasn't gay, but was an Islamic Jihadist would be enough.

I gave you several reports that say he was just gay.

Why is it so important to you that he was just an Islamic Terrorist?

Personally, I couldn't care less which type of person he was. But, the overwhelming news reports suggest gay.

I'm puzzled by the need to label this gay guy a terrorist, rather than just an angry man with a grudge against that particular club.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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Same FBI that was radicalizing him and "failed" and then told his wife not to let it out that he was gay? Oh yeah, why wouldn't you trust them? It's not like the FBI killed a friend of the Boston Bomber's while doing a normal interrogation, then deported his family, then lied to media and blocked public release of information....oh wait, that did happen!

And if that source doesn't have it all.

And more with additional backstory.

And I could keep posting links all day on this, but just take the FBI at their word, they love that. It's the American way to go about it.


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Just in case you missed it, the FBI were trying to "radicalize" Omar themselves, which happened long before FBI told his wife not to admit he was gay.

But believe them because 'Murica. ... or something.
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posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: VivreLibre

Maybe you ought to work on your reading comprehension then.

Your pyrrhonian approach serves no purpose and, if you really think that way, I have to wonder why you even bother to post in these threads.


I gave you all my news links.

You gave none.

Except you keep referring to emotional appeals to divert the issue away from what the news actually says.

Why can't you back up your claim of evidence with at least one reference?

Just one "proof" that Mateen wasn't gay, but was an Islamic Jihadist would be enough.

I gave you several reports that say he was just gay.

Why is it so important to you that he was just an Islamic Terrorist?

Personally, I couldn't care less which type of person he was. But, the overwhelming news reports suggest gay.

I'm puzzled by the need to label this gay guy a terrorist, rather than just an angry man with a grudge against that particular club.



....

Can't tell if you're a bad troll or if you're actually this confused.



overwhelming news reports suggest gay.


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Why is it so important to you that he was just an Islamic Terrorist?


I said there's no proof he's gay. Because there isn't any. Why are you so desperate to push this story and claim it as fact?




Just one "proof" that Mateen wasn't gay


You want everyone else to disprove the unsubstantiated claims that he's gay?

Lol. I almost wasted my time. If you can't read this thread, the many other threads, and the links within them, that's your problem. Good luck with that.
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posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: VivreLibre
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You want everyone else to disprove the unsubstantiated claims that he's gay?
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Hey, you are the one that asked for "evidence".

I claimed only to have read "reports".

Orlando Killer & Gay Lover Caught By Hotel Video Camera

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This keeps getting weirder. Sources say that Omar Mateen, the Orlando Jihadi who killed 49 people and wounded scores more was caught on a surveillance camera at the Ambassador Hotel with a gay lover.

Sources at the Ambassador Hotel tell TMZ, Mateen was seen on camera footage recorded December 14, 2015 around 11 PM. We’re told the video bolsters the claims of the heavily disguised man who told Univision he met up with Mateen 15-20 times at the hotel between November and December.

Our sources say the video shows Mateen walk to the front desk, speak to a staffer and then walk around a corner toward the room where the anonymous man says he was staying during their rendezvous…

We’re told management showed the video to staffers and asked if anyone recalled seeing Mateen. The only person who noticed him is a guy who works the night shift.

We’re told the FBI went to the Ambassador Tuesday night and took a copy of the surveillance footage.
[END QUOTE]

We have precise date and time: December 14, 2015 at around 11 PM
Video captures: Omar Mateen walk to the front desk of the Ambassador Hotel
Lover "Miguel" gave the date + time to FBI, and it is confirmed on Video.
Miguel and Mateen meet in the room.
Well there are no cameras in the room. They didn't make a movie of their Love action. So, it's Miguel's word alone.

BUT...part of Miguel's story checks out.

So, why would Miguel be lying about this?



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posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 11:17 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

I claimed only to have read "reports".


I was reading on a gay news site.

In comments: "What do they want? A picture of . . .

LOL. Exactly.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 02:40 AM
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a reply to: boncho

The only person who said the wife was told by the FBI to say that came from his ex wifes fiance' their is nothing to back the claim it came from her.

Sorry but when an ex wife's new man talks about you it will never be positive snd usually ends up not true.

Which seems to be the case here. And his ex wife said she never saw any homosexual tendencies in him...meaning he didn't act as if he was gay.

Everybody wants that 15 minutes...and some papers pay well for scoops.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 02:48 AM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

They are using a paparazzi site such as TMZ for their source...and you think they are credible?

And exactly what makes this man Miguel so credible as to believe he is telling the truth...since you seem to nelieve him?
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posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

Welcome...we should all share it on FB, Tweet it out. It is irrefutable testimony.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: NightFlight

Yes, I am very aware of the changes coming. There will be a priod of uncertainty, fear, and challenge, but if we come together as people, as human beings who aid each others, we will weather the coming just fine. And the afterwards makes the struggle all worthwhile.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: AMPTAH

They are using a paparazzi site such as TMZ for their source...and you think they are credible?

And exactly what makes this man Miguel so credible as to believe he is telling the truth...since you seem to nelieve him?


Because he can be charged for giving false testimony to the FBI, and deliberately obstructing the course of investigation.

He could go to prison, for his lies.

So, why take the risk? What's the reward?



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 01:55 PM
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Maybe the "anonymous" FBI is leaking info that nothing was found to force more to come forward. Just a thought.



Kevin West had first told the Los Angeles Times he talked with Mateen on the gay dating app, Jack’d, for a year.

"It's almost certain that he covered his tracks," West told the Orlando Sentinel in response to the FBI’s anonymous quotes. "Lots of people are still secretive about it. They say they don't show their face online because, 'I'm not out to my family, or because of my career.'"

In other words, the FBI is naive if it really expected to find gay dating apps on Mateen’s phone, or anything in his Internet browsing history, or any saved photos from others, or gay porn on his phone — all things someone anonymously cited when telling the Los Angeles Times the FBI hadn’t turned up reason to believe Mateen led a secret life. People in the closet would be careful not to have left such an obvious trail. But, it’s not actually clear why the FBI claims it hasn’t found any evidence, because it hasn’t revealed what it checked on the record.

When asked on the record, both attorney general Loretta Lynch and Ron Hopper, the assistant special agent from the FBI who is in charge of the FBI joint terrorism task force, have said allegations are still being vetted and no determination has been made. www.advocate.com...



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 02:57 PM
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The psycho gay jihadi spin is meant to demonize religion. Not gays, not jihadis, but religion and all religions.

All religions are about living and creating life.

Period.

When you hear Obama stepping lightly around the idea of radical Islam you are hearing a man who tries to not validate religion of any kind. His plan is to rid the planet of religion. In his mind religion is out of control. He'll say this and he'll say that and you'll think he is a Muslim Jew faking to be a Christian. In reality he is only trying to downplay the impact of religion.

If he were to say that a Muslim man was driven to war by his religion he would be saying that religion is powerful. He doesn't want you to think about the power of religion. He wants you to rid yourself of religion.

Remember the anti-gun talk coming from Obama? He went on about people clinging to their religion and guns. You thought that was anti-gun. It was also anti-religion.

Powerful religious groups with guns are a threat to other powerful groups. Religion condemns gays. So guns are bad and gays are good.

When you have a truly cohesive world view then you can make sense of the propaganda.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Some hotel claims to have video recorded two years ago?!! Really?!!! That is preposterous.

That video is literally seeded deep inside the conspiracy. Planted.

The so-called gay lover was probably meeting with Omar in order to further the plan. Or if Omar was still alive he could tell you that the so-called gay lover was trying to involve him in some multi-level marketing scheme or some other such nonsense. This is all such propaganda. As if being in a hotel makes you gay. Look everybody, he was in a hotel two years ago! Uh oh, scooby dooby doooo!!!!



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: Generation9
a reply to: AMPTAH

Some hotel claims to have video recorded two years ago?!! Really?!!! That is preposterous.



'R u posting from the future?



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 08:31 PM
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I gotta tell you, I find it incredibly weird that some have to insist he isn't/wasn't gay.

What is your problem?

Like he can't be both? Islamic radicalized and gay.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
I gotta tell you, I find it incredibly weird that some have to insist he isn't/wasn't gay.

I don't. The gay peg does not fit the Muslim hole. So to speak. It doesn't fit the Islamic terrorist narrative.

But, as has been pointed out, the FBI has not corroborated the claim. That does not mean it isn't true.

edit on 6/25/2016 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: Annee
I gotta tell you, I find it incredibly weird that some have to insist he isn't/wasn't gay.

I don't. The gay peg does not fit the Muslim hole. So to speak.


Oh, well, that can be taken many ways.



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: Annee

I clarified the point.




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