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How God makes things?

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posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 05:29 AM
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I have a plea to you ATS. Share me your subjective view of the way God does things. Let's compare our views and see the light in between.

My subjective understanding -

God creates everything through his wisdom: "I Am that I Am" or so called Tetragrammaton.
It works like this:

The first word of God is "Who". An expression of his absolutism and sigularity. He is "The Who" (rock'n'roll pun intended)

The second word of God is "Where". This creates the duality of things, as to be somewhere we need "other" secondary point being of to exist in cosideration.

The third word of God is "How". This is the number three, the holy trinity created or as hindu understands it "the three qualities of the word"


All the qualities of the world have been identified as three basic gunas, tamas, rajas, and sattva. Inertia is called tamas. Activity is called rajas. Transcendence is called sattva.


The fourth word of God is "What". This is the creation of matter in its all forms, or so called "Existance" is reached. God is no more showing just an ideas, he is already Exact. This word is the number four and is represented by the four elements who penetrate through everything. the idea behind the Native American understanding of

The Great Spirit Who Moves Through All Things


The sum of 1+2+3+4 is TEN


The biblical numerology behind number 10 revolves around 10 commandments that were delivered to Israelites after his exposure to Mount Sinai. Also this number is about 10 Plagues of Egypt and 10 nations. The gods associated with number 1 are the Atlas, the Greek God who bears the weight of world on his shoulders and God Uranus who is deeply concerned with technology and imagination. The biblical meaning of number 10 is completed course of time or completeness in divine order. Today this number is used only when referring to any kind of ranking or when describing anything that is near to perfection. Number 10 is the symbol of matter in harmony. This number represents creator and the creation. Pythagoras said that number 10 is the symbol of universe and that it expressed the entire human knowledge. 5+5 gives number 10 which represents two opposite sides of conscience- involution and evolution. Zero in number 10 symbolizes a unit and number 1 completing it showing that this number contains all proceeding numbers as a whole contains its parts. The number 10 is considered as the most perfect of all numbers. This is because it contains the unit which makes it distinct and zero which depicts matter and chaos and is also related to created and non-created, power and force, life and nothing and the beginning and end.


What is your views ATS? Being Muslim, Christian, Pagan... it does not matter, just come along. I've just put the hebrew view here, now is your turn.




posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 05:33 AM
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How "God" makes things?

3D printer...



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 06:10 AM
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a reply to: Egoismyname

They follow the same cultural dogma, sorta.. One of them thought the ability of freewill was appealing and placed "sins" instead of dogma.. Which only seems to work in a cold place..

The Hebrew view is just a collection of vedic scriptures, laws, art, astrology, mathematics probably some more..

Or i can sum it up; Tax that S#



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 06:45 AM
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God doesn't make stuff, stars make stuff. "God" makes life.

I use the word "God" for simplicity. Boeing makes airplanes but there is no living being named "Boeing". Engineers design and make airplanes for "Boeing".

In our primitive understanding we are like the cargo cults of WWII or the undiscovered tribes of the rain forest.

Cargo Cults

"primitive" tribes

We see the gods come down from the sky, we are fearful and shoot arrows, they land and visit. After they are gone we make replicas of them and their conveyances and worship them, start religions…



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
God doesn't make stuff, stars make stuff. "God" makes life.

I use the word "God" for simplicity. Boeing makes airplanes but there is no living being named "Boeing". Engineers design and make airplanes for "Boeing".

In our primitive understanding we are like the cargo cults of WWII or the undiscovered tribes of the rain forest.

Cargo Cults

"primitive" tribes

We see the gods come down from the sky, we are fearful and shoot arrows, they land and visit. After they are gone we make replicas of them and their conveyances and worship them, start religions…


I never thought about it that way, we make something different with stardust than its original form.. Ill remember that..



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: Egoismyname

I don't believe GOD makes anything - other than additional space for infinity to expand into.

HIS / HER infinite, countless emanations (like us) does all the "creating" while GOD experiences those creations. JMO.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 02:22 PM
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if a god like somthing started our universe than its that and only that.
did it create life? or whatever you can come up with? ..... as a purpose for our universe
I say full blown NO.
did it make just one universe or an infinite ammounth of universes , my bet is on the last one.
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does it give a single #£&% about what's in it and what happens to each individual universe?
Again full blown NO.

if it is interested in any of em, than my bet is on the few that exist long after all the others.

just to start it all over again with some of the parameters of the surviving ones.

no more no less.
no interventions or fiddeling around in any of em.
its only interest is in itselve and nothing more.

look at it as a planet with only trees, a sphere covered with forest 100%.
imagine a wall of fire raging around the sphere for infinity.
burning the trees in front of it, leaving behind new fertile soil, where new trees start to grow.
when it reaches that point again , after traveling around the sphere, it seems like nothing happened , for the front of the fire its always the same trees , arranged a tid bit differently.
For the fire that is totally uninteresting, and it just keeps going on.
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when a tree didn't burn up to ashes, and became the single biggest tree on the sphere. (when the fire travled across the sphere to that point again)
the fire wouldn't even notice it, or give a flying pink piglet about it.
...
when loads of trees manage to survive (scattered across the sphere, it still won't be affected a single bit by it, its way to scattered to influence the whole of it.
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only when enough trees manage to survive, than there will be a point where the fire will be affected by it.
it will need a bit more time to burn em up, and it will burn a bit hotter, it will go on as nothing really happened.
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when this cycle gets to a point where only a "few" immensely huge trees are left over across the sphere, than it doesn't have the "fuel" to burn hot enough, than the fire will stop.
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now let's imagine small bits and pieces
"dead leaflets and sproutings that can't grow because of no sunlight"
smoldering after the fire died off.
now and than a short lived small flame ending in a bit more( or less
) smoldering "leaflets and sprouts" .
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only when the immensely huge trees start to die off or break of their own wheight or whatever.
than a new cycle will begin.
...
our sphere now has a new parameter:
more "stuff" on the ground to smolder on.
after a while new sprouts become trees, with spots where no sprouts can grow. (biggest trees that fell lastly surrounding them)
...
some smoldering spots will become fires and one of em will become our new raging fire going around the sphere, catching up with the small ones to become one.
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now and than our raging fire (in the beginning) will come across these pesky biggest fallen trees that will influence the way it burns.
not that the fire can care about it one little bit, it just does its thing and that's burn anyway it can.
...
after a bunch of trips around the sphere it burned away the new parameter, and for a non trained eye it now looks exactly the same as the first one.

one needs to be in the know (illuminated) could spot the tiny difference.

now and than the fire will speed up or slow down or whatever, until even the illuminated can't tell the difference.
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and now it all starts over again with a single tree that didn't burn up.
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the fire or god like something doesn't care as long as it doesn't go out.
even when it goes out.... well .... my guess is, that it would even care less about it after its gone...
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here you go.
a nice brain fart about god or whatever it may be.
nicely explained in a way one could imagine our...
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tree of life
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TheBwaap, formally known as telfyr



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: Egoismyname
Depends upon which creation you are discussing. The Celestial or the Terrestrial. Before either were created only The Most High existed who is and was total spirit of which no one has the slightest knowledge. You nor I nor anyone can even imagine who The Most High is much less understand the substance of the Celestial realm. In all of our vanity not one can understand exactly what these little minds of the created do imagine.



posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: Egoismyname
Have you any examples of God making anything in the last 5,900 years?

seems you are looking back to things made in the past, when you nor I were ever around, and ask a set of questions no one but God could in reality answer.

But what is odd you place How God makes things in the OP title but in the OP it is how God does things. These are two entirely different subjects.

Once again we cannot assume to know why God makes or Does things out side of his word. But seeing you, probably like many here, don't believe their is a pure word of God that you could hold in your hand and trust to give you any light on what you ask.

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posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: Egoismyname

All things have already been made...

now the creation continues the work




posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 04:01 AM
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originally posted by: Egoismyname


All the qualities of the world have been identified as three basic gunas, tamas, rajas, and sattva. Inertia is called tamas. Activity is called rajas. Transcendence is called sattva.


...I've just put the hebrew view here, now is your turn.

Didn't see much Hebrew views in there but you lost me at "Atlas, the Greek God" (I skimmed through the rest). Cause the above quotation was already very familiar.


Ancient Babylonian religious concepts and practices are found in religions worldwide

“Egypt, Persia, and Greece felt the influence of the Babylonian religion . . . The strong admixture of Semitic elements both in early Greek mythology and in Grecian cults is now so generally admitted by scholars as to require no further comment. These Semitic elements are to a large extent more specifically Babylonian.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria (Boston, 1898), M. Jastrow, Jr., pp. 699, 700.

Their gods: There were triads of gods, and among their divinities were those representing various forces of nature and ones that exercised special influence in certain activities of mankind. (Babylonian and Assyrian Religion, Norman, Okla.; 1963, S. H. Hooke, pp. 14-40) “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato’s] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel (Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

Babylon the Great: Reasoning:

Babylon the Great

Definition: The world empire of false religion, embracing all religions whose teachings and practices do not conform to the true worship of Jehovah, the only true God. Following the Flood of Noah’s day, false religion had its beginning at Babel (later known as Babylon). (Gen. 10:8-10; 11:4-9) In time, Babylonish religious beliefs and practices spread to many lands. So Babylon the Great became a fitting name for false religion as a whole.




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posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 06:08 AM
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originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Egoismyname

"You nor I nor anyone can even imagine who The Most High is much less understand the substance of the Celestial realm. In all of our vanity not one can understand exactly what these little minds of the created do imagine.


This basically is a true statement.(the celestial realm is as much conjecture as the believers God is. The crux of the divide of people is the self chosen who say because they believe they know (the religious-religious) God and they are the adversaries(satan) to those that do not believe in a God(agnostic to atheists).

If your statement is true the God believers are completely deceived.They believe in a false God that doesn't exist.It doesn't matter if there is a true creator God because the believer can never KNOW the creator God through their religious belief.

The simple truth is if there is a creator God it is impossible for humans to know them through their religious beliefs therefore everything they believe of their God through their religion is axiomatically false.Religion is the veil that blinds the mind inside relgion.It is an invisible unknowable prison of the mind that the truth of the creator God can neither enter the mind nor the mind exit .

In Greek it is called diabolo(devil..demon) which means to caste through a channel.In other words the diabolo of religion binds the mind.It can neither bind nor loose the truth.This is what Yahoshua told Peter and is the foundation stone of the Roman Catholic church and ALL of Christianity.It is the stumbling stone of offense.

The Rock Yahoshua spoke of is revelation from the father the creator God.That is the ONLY way to know(commune) with the creator God.It was given to only the disciples(not James the brother of Yahoshua) to "know" the kingdom of their heavens(the ruler ship authority of their mind) and consequently they were the only ones to do what Yahoshua did...proclaim by statement of truth(preach) the Good news.All else were robbers and thief's preaching their relgion which formed into Christianity.

The creator God can commune with anyone however not even they can proclaim the truth to others and them hear and that's a main point.It is the parable of the seed sown in the soils.Only one of the soils produces fruit that continues on and on.It was the first fruits(the disciples the chosen few).All other
grapevines have bad tainted fruit(untruth...religion) that's how they are known however the religious cannot see this.They believe THEIR fruit is PERFECT(born again) when the fact is it is ALL a lie(a little leaven leavens the whole lump..excuse the mixed metaphors..they aren't mine).

The reality is man cannot do ANYTHING to commune (know) with the creator God.It is ALL futility.That is why the majority of ALL of mankind will experience the 2nd death in the lake of fire.It is the destruction /cleansing of their religious mind.The disciples were the only(the chosen few) to have their religious mind destroyed at the gate of destruction and enter into the narrow gate.

The clear fact is the vast majority of all what is call Christian is what Yahoshua was proclaiming to the disciples exclusively.There is only one instance when he says anything of anyone else in a communion with the creator God EXCEPT the Good news of Yahoshua..(the deliverance of Yahweh).Inother words Christianity has it all wrong.The say they believe in Jesus for (insert religious doctrines) however they do not KNOW Yahoshua is the Good news for ALL of creation(including all of mankind).

That is the great divide built upon the most insidious lie believed by man.That there could be a tortuous place or an annihilation out of existence.the creator God is a creator Of life not a destroyer of life...the creator only destroys death.In principle it would be the optimum for everyone to not believe in a God because it can only be a false God.In effect the God believers are blind with eyes sewn shut because of their GREAT false belief.The agnostic-atheist are blind with eyes open because they have no belief in a false God.

For now thank God their is acts of religion that compel the corrupt to "act" more ethical and moral than their nature and character. But it will not alwys be so.Religion is like a disease that is cured by the vaccine of religion that cause slow death.John Lennon had the right idea

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today... ..

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... .

John may or may not have had any idea what he actually said but still resonantes (except with the religious)...imagine that!!



posted on Jun, 25 2016 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Egoismyname

"You nor I nor anyone can even imagine who The Most High is ...


originally posted by: Rex282

This basically is a true statement.
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If your statement is true [whereislogic: have you made up your mind yet?] ...
It doesn't matter if there is a true creator God because the believer can never KNOW the creator God through their religious belief.

The simple truth is if there is a creator God it is impossible for humans to know them through their religious beliefs ...

A little repetitive but more importantly...
The Antichrist Exposed:

The engrafting of the Trinity was a masterstroke of the antichrist, for this doctrine shrouded God in mystery and blurred his relationship with the Son. (John 14:28; 15:10; Colossians 1:15) Just think, how can one “draw close to God,” as encouraged by the Scriptures, if God is a mystery?—James 4:8.

Adding to the confusion, many Bible translators have taken God’s name, Jehovah, out of their translations, even though it occurs over 7,000 times in the original text! Clearly, attempting to turn the Almighty into not just a mystery but a nameless mystery is an act of gross disrespect for our Creator and his inspired Word. (Revelation 22:18, 19) Furthermore, replacing the divine name with such titles as Lord and God is a violation of Jesus’ model prayer, which says in part: “Thy name be hallowed [or, made holy].”—Matthew 6:9, The New English Bible.

God Is a Mystery—Is It True?

What you may have heard: “God works in mysterious ways.”

“The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible.”—The Athanasian Creed, describing the Trinity taught by many churches of Christendom.

What the Bible teaches: Jesus said that those “taking in knowledge of . . . the only true God” would receive blessings. (John 17:3) But how can we take in knowledge of God if he is a mystery? Far from concealing himself, he wants everyone to know him.—Jeremiah 31:34.

Of course, we will never know everything about God. This is to be expected because his thoughts and ways are higher than ours.—Ecclesiastes 3:11; Isaiah 55:8, 9.

How knowing the truth helps you: If God is an incomprehensible mystery, then why even try to get to know him? Yet, he enables us not only to comprehend him but also to develop a close friendship with him.
...
...note what Acts 17:27 says: “[God] is not far off from each one of us.” In what way? Through the Bible, God provides what we need in order to know him well.

He tells us his name, Jehovah. (Isaiah 42:8) He has recorded his deeds toward mankind so that we can know the Person behind the name. More than that, God reveals his emotions to us. He is “merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth.” (Exodus 34:6) Our actions can affect his feelings. For example, the ancient nation of Israel made him “feel hurt” when they rebelled against him, while those who wisely obey him bring him joy.—Psalm 78:40; Proverbs 27:11.

He's not that fond of human philosophy (especially if it's about him, such as him being a mystery, unknowable or incomprehensible, philosophies that have been done* to death already, give it a break for a change, please? * = promoted, repeated, expressed, sold).

Philosophy: Reasoning

Definition: The word philosophy is derived from Greek roots that mean “love of wisdom.” As used here, philosophy is not built on acceptance of belief in God, but it tries to give people a unified view of the universe and endeavors to make them critical thinkers. It employs chiefly speculative means rather than observation in a search for truth.

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Why is it an evidence of clear thinking to study the teachings of Jesus Christ instead of human philosophy?

Col. 1:15-17: “He [Jesus Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth . . . All other things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all other things and by means of him all other things were made to exist.” (His intimate relationship with God enables him to help us to learn the truth about God. Furthermore, as the one through whom all other things were made, Jesus has a full knowledge of the entire created universe. No human philosopher can offer any of this.)
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Col. 2:8: “Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ.” (What a sad mistake it would be to choose such deceptive human philosophy in preference to acquiring true wisdom as a disciple of Jesus Christ, the second-greatest person in the universe, next to God himself!)

How does God view the “wisdom” offered by human philosophy?

1 Cor. 1:19-25: “It is written: ‘I will make the wisdom of the wise men perish, and the intelligence of the intellectual men I will shove aside.’ Where is the wise man? Where the scribe? Where the debater of this system of things? Did not God make the wisdom of the world foolish? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not get to know God, God saw good through the foolishness [as it appears to the world] of what is preached to save those believing. . . . Because a foolish thing of God [as the world views it] is wiser than men, and a weak thing of God [as the world may see it] is stronger than men.” (Such a viewpoint on God’s part is certainly not arbitrary or unreasonable. He has provided in the Bible, the most widely circulated book in the world, a clear statement of his purpose. He has sent his witnesses to discuss it with all who will listen. How foolish for any creature to think that he has wisdom greater than that of God!)



posted on Jun, 26 2016 @ 05:38 AM
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a reply to: whereislogic

hummpff
using ancient phillysopical thoughts of people about god is good ...
using you're own "god" given brain to form ones own opinion about said subject is bad ...
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it can hurt the creator of the universe if you don't follow what ancient people wrote about it?
it will feel good when people don't use their "god" given mind, and blindly follow one of the millions of different interpenetrations of some ancient thoughts written down by ancient men.
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where is the logic in that?

for me its like a "god" telling us we can eat to survive, but don't you dare to poop it out.
"god" will feel hurt if you do.



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posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 03:48 AM
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This comment could also work as a reply to your comment. Especially the start.

But it seems your mind is made up and entrenched quite thoroughly, so I'm not going to try to convince you of anything in that comment, that thread, or my previous comment here. It seems you're trying to read something else into it anyway (a straw man for rdicule and dismissal).


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posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 01:18 PM
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well, I'm sorry , what evidence?

and how can I be misguided when I was raised a Christian and started to see all the huge errors in the bible in my teens.
as an adult I read it again and see even more factual errors and lies in it.
I made up my mind about said doctrine, and never felt more alive and free than before that.

it took a while to get rid of the torture they bestowed on me growing up.
all that fearmongering about a devil and hell they pounded on me, for being a smart thinking kid with the odasity to ask simplefyed questions of said nonsense.

mid twenty's I got diagnosed as a high functioning autist with a high IQ.

so how can one be misguided when , by using my own brain, I freed myself of the shackles that is called religion ?

:::edit:::
I'm surely not out to be a strawmen or whatever.
my mind won't be made up, on the possibility that there is more than just our experience as humans, until its dead, so come and have a talk or don't.

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posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: whereislogic

The engrafting of the Trinity was a masterstroke of the antichrist, for this doctrine shrouded God in mystery and blurred his relationship with the Son. (John 14:28; 15:10; Colossians 1:15) Just think, how can one “draw close to God,” as encouraged by the Scriptures, if God is a mystery?—James 4:8.


Because it is IMPOSSIBLE to draw near to the creator God through religion because it is the creator God that does the drawing not man.


originally posted by: whereislogic
Adding to the confusion, many Bible translators have taken God’s name, Jehovah, out of their translations, even though it occurs over 7,000 times in the original text! Clearly, attempting to turn the Almighty into not just a mystery but a nameless mystery is an act of gross disrespect for our Creator and his inspired Word. (Revelation 22:18, 19) Furthermore, replacing the divine name with such titles as Lord and God is a violation of Jesus’ model prayer, which says in part: “Thy name be hallowed [or, made holy].”


Yes the bible translators have done a great disservice by fomenting a religious agenda just as the word Jehovah has done which is a poor transliteration of the Hebrew word Yahweh(an English transliteration).
However the even more grievous crime is worshipping a name like an Idol which is exactly what Jehovah Witnesses haver done.
Knowing a name of a thing or person isn’t knowing how to correctly pronounce or write it.That is idolatry. A name means the nature and character of the thing or person named .To “know” the creator God Yahweh (which means …I will be what I will be) is to commune (communicate) with them which is 100% the creator God’s initiative. There is no methodology of religion or anything that can cause a person to know the creator God because it is religious methodology that blasphemes the creator God.

Yahoshua confronted the Jewish leaders over and over with this issue and stated to to them unequivocally you do not KNOW the father the creator God because your father is diabolo, the father of lies.Diabolo is the Greek word translated devil or demon and means cast through a channel not some evil spirit being.The diabolo is the religious mind that cannot know the creator God and dishonors(blasphemes) their name.


originally posted by: whereislogic
“The Father Incomprehensible, the Son Incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost Incomprehensible.”—The Athanasian Creed, describing the Trinity taught by many churches of Christendom.
What the Bible teaches…. Jesus said that those “taking in knowledge of . . . the only true God” would receive blessings. (John 17:3) But how can we take in knowledge of God if he is a mystery? Far from concealing himself, he wants everyone to know him.—Jeremiah 31:34.


He said this statement exclusively to the disciples at what is called the last supper.The men Yahoshua was given by the father in the fathers name were the disciples, they ALONE are the chosen few.

John 17:17 I have manifested your name unto the men which you gave me out of the world: they were yours, and you gave them to me; and they have kept your word.

This is the culmination of what Yahoshua had been proclaiming to the disciples all along and they did not understand.THEY were the chosen few to enter into the kingdom of their heavens.Yahoshua NEVER proclaims it of anyone else until AFTER they have died and resurrected to true LIFE(spirit).The most clear statement he made was when the disciples asked whyYahoshua spoke in parables..he said so those who think they see would remain blind and those that think they hear would remain deaf because it is GIVEN only to you(the disciples) to KNOW the mystery of the kingdom of your heavens(mind).

Christianity (and many of it’s sub cults like Jehovah Witnesses) extrapolated statements like this then co-opted them as if Yahoshua said them to them yet he didn’t.The majority of everything Yahoshua stated was directly to the disciples and no this giving to enter into the kingdom of their heavens is not the fullness of salvation/deliverance from Hades(the realm of death and imperception)which “will” be for all of creation including ALL of mankind.



originally posted by: whereislogic
Of course, we will never know everything about God. This is to be expected because his thoughts and ways are higher than ours.—Ecclesiastes 3:11; Isaiah 55:8, 9.


The fact is you can’t know ANYTHING about the creator God through methodology (especially religious).The evidence is abundant.Physicist have made great leaps in knowledge of physics(the mechanics of the physical matter) yet what they know is infinitesimal and they know that fact.It is the height of hubris to believe you can “know” anything about the creator God by studying books of any kind or ANY methodology or performing religious acts.


originally posted by: whereislogic
How knowing the truth helps you: If God is an incomprehensible mystery, then why even try to get to know him? Yet, he enables us not only to comprehend him but also to develop a close friendship with him.
.note what Acts 17:27 says: “[God] is not far off from each one of us.” In what way? Through the Bible, God provides what we need in order to know him well


That is the crux of my point.It is futile to try to”study” your way to knowing God yet that is precisely what the religious mind(diabolo) do.The only way to know the creator God is 100% in the creator God’s court and you have zero to do with it.No one can leap over the net of knowing the creator God(metaphor) on their own effort they will be thrown over it by the creator God when and how they choose to do so.


originally posted by: whereislogic
He tells us his name, Jehovah. (Isaiah 42:8) He has recorded his deeds toward mankind so that we can know the Person behind the name.


This is all religious rhetoric.The creator God has not recorded his deeds in a book and the abundant evidence is man knows NOTHING of the creator God…ZERO..zilch.The God everyone believes in is not the creator God it is a God made in their image(imagination) through the diabolo.



originally posted by: whereislogic
More than that, God reveals his emotions to us. He is “merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving-kindness and truth.” (Exodus 34:6) Our actions can affect his feelings. For example, the ancient nation of Israel made him “feel hurt” when they rebelled against him, while those who wisely obey him bring him joy.—Psalm 78:40; Proverbs 27:11.


The creator God cannot have human emotions because they are not human.They could only exist in states of being.They don’t experience events and human emotions they ARE in a state of being which human emotions are only faint fading shadows of.Human emotions and feelings are very transpositional. The feeling of falling in love(for many people) is essentially the same as the feeling in the pit of your stomach when riding a fast roller coaster.Emotional feelings are a condition of the mind that are in a constant state of flux.Whatever the creator emotions are they are not same as humans.


originally posted by: whereislogic
He's not that fond of human philosophy (especially if it's about him, such as him being



posted on Jun, 27 2016 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: whereislogic
He's not that fond of human philosophy (especially if it's about him, such as him being a mystery, unknowable or incomprehensible, philosophies that have been done* to death already, give it a break for a change, please? * = promoted, repeated, expressed, sold).


Philosophy: Reasoning

Definition: The word philosophy is derived from Greek roots that mean “love of wisdom.” As used here, philosophy is not built on acceptance of belief in God, but it tries to give people a unified view of the universe and endeavors to make them critical thinkers. It employs chiefly speculative means rather than observation in a search for truth.


This line of thought perfectedly describes what you are purporting.Your religious thought and belief is futile and in vain.


originally posted by: whereislogic
Why is it an evidence of clear thinking to study the teachings of Jesus Christ instead of human philosophy?

Col. 1:15-17: “He [Jesus Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth . . . All other things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all other things and by means of him all other things were made to exist.”

His intimate relationship with God enables him to help us to learn the truth about God. Furthermore, as the one through whom all other things were made, Jesus has a full knowledge of the entire created universe. No human philosopher can offer any of this.


YET you know NOTHING of Yahoshua(Yahweh is deliverance/salvation) at all.Your religious rhetoric is all in vain.Your Jesus is nothing more than an idol cast in your mind…your “personal Jesus”(prophet) as Depeche Mode said.Yahoshua spoke of this religious methodology to “know”….

“You search the scriptures for in them you think you have eternal life yet they are they which testify of me. And you will not come to me, that you might have life.I receive not honor from men. But I know you, that you have not the love of God in you. I am come in my Father's name, and you receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him you will receive.



originally posted by: whereislogic
Col. 2:8: “Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ.”

What a sad mistake it would be to choose such deceptive human philosophy in preference to acquiring true wisdom as a disciple of Jesus Christ, the second-greatest person in the universe, next to God himself!


Yet that is exactly what you have done with your religious belief.Even Paul the self proclaimed chiefest sinner of all mankind knew religion is the great deceiver /adversary(satan) through the diabolo because he was the poster child and the epitome of the religious and he is clearly speaking of religion as the tradition of men.


originally posted by: whereislogic
How does God view the “wisdom” offered by human philosophy?

1 Cor. 1:19-25: “It is written: ‘I will make the wisdom of the wise men perish, and the intelligence of the intellectual men I will shove aside.’ Where is the wise man? Where the scribe? Where the debater of this system of things? Did not God make the wisdom of the world foolish? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not get to know God, God saw good through the foolishness [as it appears to the world] of what is preached to save those believing. . . . Because a foolish thing of God [as the world views it] is wiser than men, and a weak thing of God [as the world may see it] is stronger than men.”

Such a viewpoint on God’s part is certainly not arbitrary or unreasonable. He has provided in the Bible, the most widely circulated book in the world, a clear statement of his purpose. He has sent his witnesses to discuss it with all who will listen. How foolish for any creature to think that he has wisdom greater than that of God!


YES exactly!!… HOW FOOLISH, yet that is exactly what you are doing.You are truly a witness to the foolishness of men yet you are completely blind to it.You seek “wisdom” in a book you know nothing about.Yahoshua very clearly stated the scriptures were a testimony that testified of him (Yahoshua) and condemned those who “studied” it thinking there was life in it yet had no love of the father.

Not one time did Yahoshua ever compel anyone to study the scriptures to “know” the creator God because that is exactly what they(the Jewish religious leaders) already were doing in futility.The fact is the creator God is unknowable by ANY methodology or act of mankind especially religion which is diabolo.



posted on Jun, 28 2016 @ 01:56 AM
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"draw close to God", that's what it says. It doesn't say there "get drawn close to God by God". It is true that God is actively drawing people to him as well (and other verses in the bible describe this as well), but it's a 2-way street.

Regarding your commentary about God's name:


Only sharing the video below for the information in the first 2 minutes regarding what might follow in your argumentation regarding why the Hebrew word is supposedly "Yahweh" and why "Jehovah" is supposedly a poor english transliteration of it (for which you have neglected to give any evidence or further detailed argumentation, so that's why I'm saying that it "might follow").

Notice whose behaviour you're following or copying (perhaps inadvertently) in your argumentation regarding God's name:

Most of your other argumentaton (or perhaps better described as the direction you want to steer things) regarding what "A name means..." is almost an exact copy of Shazoolo's line of argumentation or way of thinking below (again, perhaps better described as a direction he wants to steer his and the listener's thoughts when thinking about this subject of God's name; the videos include a response as well as further context and discussion regarding that bible verse you quoted, which is actually John 17:6, not John 17:17, it also discusses the scripture Rex282 brought up):


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posted on Jun, 28 2016 @ 04:07 AM
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originally posted by: Rex282
This is all religious rhetoric.The creator God has not recorded his deeds in a book and the abundant evidence is man knows NOTHING of the creator God…ZERO..zilch.The God everyone believes in is not the creator God it is a God made in their image(imagination) through the diabolo.


These statements sound self-contradicting to me and they seem to also contradict the rest of your commentary where you tell me how wrong about God I am (and other biblical subjects or characters such as Jesus or Satan the Devil) and how you can describe it better while using 2 bible quotations if I counted correctly. If your statement is true about man knowing nothing of God then you can't follow that up with telling me anything about God and expect me to believe you (you're part of "man" aren't you? I hope so). That I would classify as unreasonable and irrational (and even more so when you use bible quotations when doing that, given what you said about that).

quoting you again (more of the same, almost...):

There is no... anything that can cause a person to know the creator God...

So if that is true along with the other quotation (and assuming you are part of what you refer to as "man" in that sentence, or at least that you won't argue otherwise), how am I supposed to take your statements regarding what it means to know God and who is going to initiate that process that just came before that sentence seriously? I just don't understand where the logic is in that way of talking and arguing. Am I really the only one noticing this (seen it many times before on ATS, sometimes in a slight variation)? It's not your only expression of a philosophy/idea, view/belief about God or biblical subjects or characters in your commentary, it's filled with it. And you talk about it as if it's factual/true/correct (or advanced or enlightened knowledge about God, even your arguments regarding whether or not we can 'take in knowledge', semi-quoting Jesus at John 17:3, to get to know his Father and God or whether or not any "man" knows anything about God; I am rephrasing your argumentation to what you're also suggesting with your line of argumentation and claims regarding God and biblical subjects+characters).

Jesus said (John 17:3, NW):

This means everlasting life, their coming to know you,* the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. [* = Or “their taking in knowledge of you.”]

Acquiring and imparting knowledge is also a 2-way street. You can also cause your mind to be filled with figurative poison instead.
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