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Guess how many welfare recipients tested positive in Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder’s drug test?

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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 07:53 AM
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Gee Rick, I guess you were just hating on the poor and disenfranchised..

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Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R), who faced criticism earlier this year for his handling of the water crisis in Flint, could face more pushback after the apparent failure of his program requiring drug tests for welfare users.

The Guardian reported that none of the 303 people tested under the auspices of the Family Independence Program have tested positive for drugs as of the end of May.

The pilot program ends on Sept. 30 and received $300,000 in state funding, although a spokesperson for the state health department said only $300 had been spent thus far.

“The governor will wait until the pilot program has concluded and the report is delivered, as required by the legislation, to reach any conclusions,” said Anna Heaton, a spokesperson for Snyder’s office.

The program allows health department officials to require applicants to go through a drug test based on the results of the 50-question screening process. Refusal to do so disqualifies them from receiving financial assistance for six months. However, none of the applicants reportedly refused to go through the test.


And even other states, only found on average 11 out 2700 plus who tested positive.

What a waste of government time and resources as we as a waste of time for those tested.

~Tenth



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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 07:57 AM
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Because people are still victims of Nixon's war on drugs. Where white middle America was taught that poor minorities are evil drug consumers going after everyone's' daughters.


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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 07:59 AM
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IN YO FACE RICK.

What an ass. He looks like a fool.


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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 07:59 AM
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What they should really be testing all welfare recipients of working age for is work ethic. Then we might see where the real problem is.


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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:00 AM
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I tend to fall on the side of freedom.

The people should be free to use whatever drugs that they like.

The people should be free to feed, clothe and house themselves on their own dime.


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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: eXia7
What they should really be testing all welfare recipients of working age for is work ethic. Then we might see where the real problem is.


Many of the people that recieve welfare are the working poor.

They work, but do not have the skills or training to get well-paying jobs that can support families.

To say they lack work ethic is just as wrong as testing them for drugs.


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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:03 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
I tend to fall on the side of freedom.

The people should be free to use whatever drugs that they like.

The people should be free to feed, clothe and house themselves on their own dime.


I'd rather pay more in taxes to ensure that people are not on the streets starving or committing crimes to feed/clothe themselves.


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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:04 AM
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And let me just add. Working poor is allowed the same consumed amount of marijuana as the rest of middle class america smokes. Just because someone is poor doesn't mean you get to control every dollar they spend. If someone is stuck in a rut and makes crap pay, lives on their own, and wants to spend a few sheckles a week doing something that makes them feel better in their own home, go for it bud.


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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:10 AM
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a reply to: introvert

The reality is that welfare is set up to demand that people do nothing to improve themselves. Want to get a degree? Hell no, that would take time away from your part-time minimum-wage dead-end job. Same with learning a new skill. Want to change jobs? Be ready for a truckload of paperwork to prove you have the new job, explain why you quit the old job, verify incomes, etc. And be ready to run interference for your new boss, as welfare will hound him/her silly wanting this mass of paperwork filled out. I wonder how many recipients actually lost a better job because of all the hassle their new employer was put through.

And they still test negative for drugs...

TheRedneck


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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Are you saying that we need to have less restrictions on welfare and help them get the training/education they need?

I'd agree with that.


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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: introvert

The reality is that welfare is set up to demand that people do nothing to improve themselves. Want to get a degree? Hell no, that would take time away from your part-time minimum-wage dead-end job. Same with learning a new skill. Want to change jobs? Be ready for a truckload of paperwork to prove you have the new job, explain why you quit the old job, verify incomes, etc. And be ready to run interference for your new boss, as welfare will hound him/her silly wanting this mass of paperwork filled out. I wonder how many recipients actually lost a better job because of all the hassle their new employer was put through.

And they still test negative for drugs...

TheRedneck


Welfare really needs an overhaul, it has to come with work programs or education programs so that people don't need the assistance after x number of months.

Agreed.

~Tenth



posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Big deal...you know how many people in middle managent and upper who smoke weed or are on pain killers?

People are people...and yes I am in management..smoke all the weed they want...keeps people relaxed..

However, I'm not feeling more hardcore drugs...

Will it be ok when it's legally more available and it get's taxed? Would you begrudge someone on welfare for a case a beer a week? What's the limit?
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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: introvert

That's EXACTLY what I'm saying.

Every year, drop the welfare benefits by 5%, unless they
  • get a raise or promotion (indicates the job is not dead-end)

  • Have 3 or more interviews for higher-paying jobs they qualify for.

  • Change jobs for more income.

  • Take a course towards learning a marketable skill, on the government's dime.

  • Attend a college are least 50% of full time enrollment toward a marketable degree, again on the government's dime.

Cut out the excessive paperwork at the same time, saving a big chunk of forest to boot. And no more trying to contact employers!

TheRedneck


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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Isn't it interesting that this place has been run in to the ground by democrats and we hear nothing about it, but suddenly a Republican gets in and it's non-stop hand wringing? And suddenly you're concerned about government waste? Where have you been for the last 8 years of the Obama administration?
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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

My guess. 1. Answer. 0. Lol, yet more proof that drug testing welfare recipients is an enormous waste of taxpayer money.



posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: butcherguy
I tend to fall on the side of freedom.

The people should be free to use whatever drugs that they like.

The people should be free to feed, clothe and house themselves on their own dime.


I'd rather pay more in taxes to ensure that people are not on the streets starving or committing crimes to feed/clothe themselves.

I suspect that you would rather everyone pay more in taxes to take care of a problem that not everyone feels responsible for.




They work, but do not have the skills or training to get well-paying jobs that can support families.

I highlighted the real problem in red.
They can't support a family because they don't have the skills or training needed.
They may be guilty of poor decision-making also!
Maybe we should sponsor taxpayer funded public schools to teach them how to make those decisions.... no wait, we already have them.... and they apparently fail.
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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

How exactly are you proposing we check on the recipients against that checklist? How would it be funded? Sounds like a bunch of bureaucracy that will slow down an already over worked department.


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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: TheBulk
a reply to: tothetenthpower

Isn't it interesting that this place has been run in to the ground by democrats and we hear nothing about it, but suddenly a Republican gets in and it's non-stop hand wringing? And suddenly you're concerned about government waste? Where have you been for the last 8 years of the Obama administration?


I"m not American, I don't care about that, I care about a really stupid program that Rick put together that's failed miserably.

Please don't make this about silly partisan politics, I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. Also, Obama is not the single cause of all the woes in the US. Pretty sure he doesn't decide what states spend on what and what programs Governors are developing and deploying.

Nice try though.

~Tenth



posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:36 AM
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I don't really care ether way; but how where the 303 people chosen? I'd probably opt out if I knew I would fail; or say I can’t Pee if I was obligated and forgo the well fair.



posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 08:38 AM
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I've changed my mind. I'm actually happy that he did this. It needed to be done, I guess.

I hope it puts minds to rest, and it will be a valuable tool in the future in refuting such claims.




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