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Libertarians Proven Right in New Hampshire, Again!

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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 06:01 AM
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A relatively new study shows the "Live Free or Die" state is more or less the most economically successful place in the world with a median income of more than $41,000:
Source: mises.org...

Libertarians have been accused of being "pie-in-the-sky" idealists. Not only does Libertarian ideology have the strongest philosophic foundation, but now another study has been released showing another one of the most Libertarian place on the planet Earth is also the most financially successful place on the planet Earth. Coincidence?

New Hampshire people are living in the context of a socialist national government now that Obamacare and Social Security are both in place (actually taking away about 15% of your money and giving it back without any interest decades later isn't a great deal believe it or not). Despite that, the state is in the top 5 "most free states" as ranked by freedominthe50states.org...

Gladly, 20,000 movers have signed up in Free State Project which is 20,000 Libertarians who want to make New Hampshire even more successful by moving there and making it more Libertarian. Modern government is simply a cult and has no merit. It hasn't even proven the 1% to 2% it spends on the roads have been a success. Wow. It can't show public road systems beat private road systems in any studies I know of since science was invented. Wow. Wow. What are we doing? Not evidence-based reasoning. "Political science" is not very scientific, is it?

I'm on ATS as a theist and as someone who enjoys and appreciates emotion-based reasoning. And emotion-based reasoning is what brought me to Libertarianism. However, fact-based reasoning is what keeps me a Libertarian. I will let the truth fall where it may and if additional evidence uncovers that socialism works in the end, I'll go ahead and move to Venezuela, the most socialist place I know of.




posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 07:04 AM
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a reply to: wayforward

I remember hearing about this movement before and people getting upset over it because the state will go "red". But on the other side of the coin we have the govt pulling immigrants from the ME and Mexico who vote blue in mass.

I myself like libertarian ideals. I want responsibility over myself. Leave me alone! Having an entity steal my money to hand me crap or nothing in return is criminal.



posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: wayforward

New Hampshire is a great state for the most part having grown up near the boarder and having lived in Portsmouth for a couple years I agree.

However it is also very homogenous and has no major cities. Just like most of the others in the top 5 on the list. Which I disagree with most of anyway.

Now if we look at the top 10 socialist countries Venezuela isn't even on that list.

Number 2 for instance after China is denmark where people have one of the highest standards of living in the world and the highest median income. Also a small homogenous country without very large cities.

I am not a socialist I am a libertarian but different strokes for different folks.

I think libertarians are really just classical liberals. Most are well versed in philosophy and also willing to compromise without abandoning their ideals or making the issues polarized and sensationalized to mislead voters.

I am more on the moderate side. I don't think Mises is very practical all the time I think Hayek a little more but some of the Austrian philosophy doesn't think about money power in the market and human nature in the form of greed. Which is why some basic regulations are needed to keep money power from manipulating politics and the market.

For instance the Rothchilds buying up the gold market and manipulating the price of gold buy restricting or flooding the material on the market. Which is a problem when its backing tour currency.

Of coarse its even worse now.



posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: GraffikPleasure
a reply to: wayforward

I remember hearing about this movement before and people getting upset over it because the state will go "red". But on the other side of the coin we have the govt pulling immigrants from the ME and Mexico who vote blue in mass.

I myself like libertarian ideals. I want responsibility over myself. Leave me alone! Having an entity steal my money to hand me crap or nothing in return is criminal.


New Hampshire is kind of a red state. Libertarians are not Republicans though. We have massive disagreements on legislation. Libertarians also don't make social moral laws based on religion. You don't see them protesting homosexuality or lobbying for their favorite donor who happens to get big goverments contracts. We don't believe in war we believe in trade. War is the very last resort and for self defense.



posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 07:45 AM
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a reply to: wayforward
I seriously hope you aren't comparing a State, which receives federal assistance from the federal government regardless of how libertarian it is or isn't, to a country are you? Because that would be a VERY poor comparison. I know your mises.org article is DEFINITELY off on the comparison part. Because if Germany and Sweden became states they would also receive federal assistance and thus wouldn't be as poor as the article is stating.

A state and a country are two VERY different economic and political entities. That's like comparing a shoe to a sock and lamenting that the sock doesn't stop rocks from poking into your feet when you walk around.
edit on 23-6-2016 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: luthier

When you think of republicans they are the big government rhinos... They are the majority of republicans.

This is why it is important to stress individual responsibility and freedoms. That is the only way to ensure everyone has liberty.



posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 05:26 PM
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Librarians are always right! Shh...quiet!




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