When Sex Ed Takes It Over The Top:

a reply to: Spider879
At least they're not having a live demonstration. I mean, imagine if they brought a couple in the do the deed right in front of the class.

It would be something like that.

Dont they realise that most of these kids know more about sex than those classes teach? In our local high school kids are screwing in the hallways, and not getting caught. And putting on a condom? Who really has to be told how to do that? It was like natural instinct to me. That class should be more about the concequences than how to do it. (I know my spelling is terrible.) They should bring in young parents fresh out of school themselves to talk to the class about how bad the struggle can be. Young boys and girls with STDs to talk about how it ruined their lives and possible future love life. Its a lot harder to land the man of your dreams is your junk is dripping green goop lol.

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Our new sex ed program for preteens was written by Benjamin Levin, a convicted pedophile

Why is he around kids or even making sex ed programs for them, sorry but I have to go look this up , that's too unbelievable and down right disturbing.

Look it up, Benjamin Levin was a university of Toronto professor. He was convicted about 18 months ago I think it was, maybe 2 years. He and Kathryn Wynn, when she was health minister, wrote this grooming program, er, I mean sex Ed program. I really don't understand how a militant lesbian cum feminazi who represents maybe 1% of the population and a pedophile could be tasked with writing a sex Ed program for preteens. You can't make this sh#t up and there is quite a bit of info on the Internet on this subject.

Cheers - Dave

At least these kids are a little older than the age they start this in the California school system. This is close to the Sex Ed curriculum that was being taught to 5th graders in our district at the time my kids were in school.

There was a meeting before hand so parents could preview what was going to be taught. There were two 5th grade classes at the school, so we are talking about 70 children. Only five parents showed up to the meeting.

The curriculum included oral and anal sex topics, masterbastion, and there was a box that the kids could put ANY question into anonymously and the teacher had to answer the questions. In addition the boys and girls participated in this class together.

Myself and the other four parents were horrified. Needless to say we were the only parents who opted our children out of the class. Two years later when my son was in 5th grade I again previewed the curriculum, nothing had changed so I opted him out also.

a reply to: Spider879

Legally children, yes. I live in Germany and believe me, most 14 year-olds tower over me.

Physically, these children are adults and learning about such things is a good idea. Nobody needs feel ashamed if they wish for a little sexual experimentation and where else should they learn about it? pRon is available everywhere but is hardly realistic.

Oh, yeah...before you decide that I'm a tiny little shrimp, I have to point out that I'm six foot tall and weigh 220lbs. Many of my youngest daughters classmates are taller than me. A few are bigger. Some of my eldest daughters classmates can rest their chins on my head. They are sixteen. Both my girls are as tall as me. Any would-be abuser better watch out.

a reply to: Ericthedoubter

Maybe that's the case in Germany, but still here is my would be Sex Ed class.
Hello class.
while sex is fun there are consequences.
1. do not feel pressured into doing it because your friends did it.

or you think you love him or her and so you must do it.
that you are more vulnerable if drugs and alcohol is involved.

have a discussion on date rape scenarios and how to avoid it.


2. If you go down that road here is what can happen if you don't suit up

show pics of decease parts, including HIV , explain what those STDs are and how you get infected.
list types of treatment available if there is one and the possible cost.

3. a frank discussion about pregnancies and how it may slow your life ambitions down.

4. bring out the protection samples and how to use it properly.

5. general hygiene etc etc.

Im not an educator that's just my very basic way, all the experimentation that's out there the above should apply, all the other stuff is for mom and pops or responsible adult family members, I don't need to get into the nitty gritty of what you may do.

a reply to: Spider879

Well yeah, obviously they need the warnings too.

First, I should think.

a reply to: Spider879

Of course with almost all instance of same-sex behavior in animals, you have to take into account issues of dominance and hierarchy. They aren't trying to mate with one another and there really isn't any pair-bonding attempt being made; they are simply trying to establish who ranks whom. In other instances, it's a mating strategy where one male is trying to fool the other, not so he can mate with the other male, but so that he can actually mate with the female or preserve his mating with female.

a reply to: Spider879

Funny, that was my abstinence only education. It provided the bare bones on the issues of sex and hammered home the consquences and constantly taught that no matter what you did to make it safe, the only 100% safe method was not to go there in the first place.

a reply to: ketsuko

But still I would want them armed with the knowledge, if they do go for it.

Wtf !

Homework check
Coat check
Pe kit check
Pack lunch check
Dildo check wtf
Cheque check !

Words can't describe !

a reply to: Spider879

Oh, I forgot to add rule number one: If it's hollow and made of glass, don't push it up your bottom.

I think everyone in the world should be told this.

I was listening to to an interview on the radio with a psychologist, and I think the subject was the internet and young people... She described how young people are being exposed to a lot of things they didn't used to be, especially when it comes to sex. She said for some, it is very troubling. They get stressed about things like expectations, and all this other kinky stuff (toys, S&M, ....).

She described having to take a boy of 17 in an emergency because he was having a sort of anxiety attack because he was watching porn, ended up on a site with transexuals, and became upset because he got turned on. He suddenly had all kinds of confusion about his sexuality- what did that mean then?

It made me think a lot about how much more the kids today know about this stuff early on, and how confusing it might be.

I guess I am already used to sex ed classes that go beyond the STD and birth control warnings- here in France sex is very entwined in human relations, so they delve into the subject of how to be a sensitive lover , how to communicate during sex, how to let the other know what feels good, etc.

But I do find myself wondering- how wise is it to just leave them alone with all that exposure, to deal with however they can without a context to ask questions and talk about it??

a reply to: Bluesma

I'm sorry, I can't stop snorting.

It's true, sex ed should really focus on the loving element rather than bukkake and futanari. (what drugs are the Japanese on, anyway?)

Ehmagerd, I am so sorry...poor kid finding out he likes trannies and getting upset...help me, there's snot coming out of my nose...okay, i'll be back later..


*howls*

originally posted by: Ericthedoubter
a reply to: Bluesma

I'm sorry, I can't stop snorting.

It's true, sex ed should really focus on the loving element rather than bukkake and futanari. (what drugs are the Japanese on, anyway?)

Ehmagerd, I am so sorry...poor kid finding out he likes trannies and getting upset...help me, there's snot coming out of my nose...okay, i'll be back later..


*howls*

I don't know if I get your humor (it was humor, right?)
Yeah, I can see how that can be confusing and raise questions in the head of a kid who hasn't started his sexual relations with anyone yet. (and no it doesn't mean he especially likes trannies, it means he has a physical attraction when it comes to visualizing a female image... that doesn't say anything about how he would physically react when the real equipment is brought out.
It doesn't mean he is gay either. )

She spoke of kids who wondered if they needed to be up on all sorts of kinky things before they even consider sleeping with someone.....porn gives kids the idea everyone is doing this stuff. And now they're watching harder porn than we used to as kids.

We can't keep them from seeing sex toys, and the more fringe sexual practices. The only question up for debate is, do we open communication with them on it, or just leave them to work it out on their own?

Yet another instance of where South Park was foretelling the future. It's bad when over the top shocking comedy turns out to be real a few years later.



He's teaching kindergartners.

a reply to: Bluesma

He's 17 years old which means he's an adult.

If he can be aroused by watching transexual porn then he is BISEXUAL. There is no confusion. No reason for pity. Give him a slap and send him on his way.

Every young person should be given the opportunity to ask about sexual practices that appear to be unusual but I suspect that young people aren't quite as naïve as you think they are.

This is the digital age and the young'uns have the answer seconds after they asked it. Don't worry about them too much, they'll figure it out.

a reply to: Ericthedoubter

What is a child going to do to an authority figure? Especially if they want their approval? I am sorry, but this is sex addicts trying to indoctrinate the next generation. Do you teach the dangers of alcoholism by teaching children to make mix drinks? Do you teach children the dangers of meth by showing them how to run a meth lab? This is insanity and creepy. And to totaly ignore how sexting can be humiliating and have consequences the rest of your life. Or herpies, the gift that keeps giving. Not to be a stick in the mud, but promiscuous sex can have long lasting health and mental impacts. Life changing impacts. How did we go from you should be proud of yourself and true love is byond physical interaction to its all about sex and true love is only worthwhile when expressed sexually. But that is how evil works. Take something good, pervert it, then make it a weaknesses. Upside down world......

originally posted by: Ericthedoubter
a reply to: Bluesma

He's 17 years old which means he's an adult.

In what country is 17 considered adult age???
(though it is not relevant to this point)

If he can be aroused by watching transexual porn then he is BISEXUAL. There is no confusion. No reason for pity. Give him a slap and send him on his way.

No, there's no reason to come to that conclusion. The boy did not know he was looking at males. He thought they were women, until the genitals were revealed. He might be bi or not, we don't know enough. Whether you feel his confusion and panic was logical is irrelevant. He was very very upset.
This has been known to happen to kids who think something as stupid as being penetrated by a finger could get them pregnant.

In any case, even your solution "give him a slap and send him away" (completely idiotic, hit a kid because he is confused)
WHO is going to give this response????? That is the whole point! There has to be some adult they can talk to!! Some context within which they can ask questions and talk about such things!
You seem to assume all kids have parents present, that are comfortable and knowledgeable about these things, and that the kid feels comfortable talking with about.

That is just not the case. There are a lot of parents that would feel very uncomfortable talking their kid through his discovery and experimentation with his bisexuality.

a reply to: Spider879

Personally, I believe that it is the parents responsibility to discuss sex with children. To teach them. Guide them. Inform them.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where parents have their heads up their asses and are either too stupid, or unwilling to do what it takes to be a good parent.

If the school system my daughter attends ever attempts to teach anything beyond the basic principle and act of procreation.... And (I do believe this is important, thanks to the parents I mentioned above) how to engage in safe sex......


Well, they'll have to contend with me. But, you know what? No. This will not be an issue. When I find out that this is going to be in the curriculum being taught to my daughter, I'll go in and have a sit down with the school. I'll expect to be able to review the materials that the curriculum is based on. I'll also discuss what the school intends to teach above, beyond, and along side the provided materials.

And then, as a good parent should.... I'll make the decision for what is best for my child.