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New Rule Requires Doctors To Treat Trans Patients As Their Pretend Sex

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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:08 PM
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I'm sorry... you have prostate cancer but you think you are a woman. Therefore your doctor may not be able to treat you or refer you to a men's health specialist. Not without threat of being sued, anyway...

thefederalist.com...


On the same day President Barack Obama announced his controversial transgender school bathroom policy last month, a somewhat more sinister mandate was finalized by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) with consequences for health care providers, insurance companies, and American taxpayers.

The rule contains an explicit definition of gender identity that states a person can claim to be male, female, neither, both, or some combination of the two, said Roger Severino, director of the DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society at the Heritage Foundation.

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If a medical doctor, based on biological evidence, sees a male patient, but the patient claims to be a female, the doctor must treat the patient as a female. Failure to do so could leave the doctor vulnerable to lawsuits, lost federal funding, and federal investigation by the Office of Civil Rights, the HHS arm implementing this policy.


Insanity. There is no other word.

For a doctor to perform his or her job correctly, they need to deal in absolute truths. They need to use their judgement. Absurd does not begin to describe this regulation of the medical profession.


The regulations provide an example of how a doctor could discriminate against a transgender patient, Severino said. If two people are both candidates for a hysterectomy, one a woman with uterine cancer and the other a woman who wants fewer woman parts to look more like a man but is otherwise perfectly healthy, the doctor could be found to be discriminating against the second woman by choosing to treat the woman with cancer instead. The rule states all the second woman would need to attempt to force the surgeon to perform an elective hysterectomy is a note from a psychologist affirming her desire to become a man, Severino said.

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Among other things, it notes the regulations could open health-care professionals and insurers to extensive legal liability if they decline to provide or pay for sex transition treatments, even if they are deemed medically unnecessary or unwise.

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Unlike some mandates associated with Obamacare, this rule provides no provision or safeguard for religious persons or providers. A Catholic hospital system that tries to adhere to Roman Catholic teaching about humans being either male or female by refusing to perform a hysterectomy on a healthy woman who wants to become a man may be held in violation, Kacsmaryk said, because there are no exceptions for religious institutions in this rule. The only option is to sue, as Hobby Lobby and the Little Sisters of the Poor did over Obamacare’s requirement that employers pay for employees’ abortifacients.




posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

I have a couple of Autoimmunity Diseases that are more likely to activate if you are a female... so tell me how genes don't define your sex? Genes define everything....

If anyone has questions on how the human genome works, I highly recommend the book Inheritance by Sharon Moalem. It's all about how the genes you are born with can define you from birth and also change according to you surroundings.

Nature and nurture my friends.... Nature and nurture.
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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:17 PM
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"Pretend" sex?
How insensitive.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
"Pretend" sex?
How insensitive.


What else would you call it as a doctor? Remember, gender is the mind game while sex is supposed to be the biology, but it seems that Obamacare has jumped the full shark on that one.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:22 PM
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I smell some transphobia here. Yes I went there.

A doctor can treat even gender specific diseases and still use the person's preferred pronouns.

I don't agree that they should be vulnerable to lawsuits over pronouns, but, I also do not think it's unreasonable to refer to someone using the pronouns they prefer.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:23 PM
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How much for a rocket ticket to Venus?

I volunteer to be the first human on Venus, to tell everyone how bad it actually sucks and if there is more than just gas and if it rains acid etc.

Be gay, I really don't care, sleep with whatever gender makes you happy. It doesn't bother me one bit, I think LGB people are well within their rights to sleep with who ever they feel like.

Transgender on the other hand.... I am inclined to say that it is literally all in their heads. It's a mental condition. I'm not sorry, that is how I feel. I will not discriminate against anyone because they are Trans, just as I won't discriminate against anyone because they have down syndrome, or are autistic, or whatever.
But .....

Just but...

It doesn't matter how many surgeries you have, and what your junk looks like after the surgery, or how you dress, or what hormones you take, or how you feel, if you have 2 (two) X chromosomes then you are a girl (female) if you have an X and a Y chromosome then you are a boy (male) and absolutely NOTHING can change that.


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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: daryllyn

If you are treating someone "like a woman," how do you tell them they have prostate cancer? Technically, you can't because women, real ones, do not have prostates.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:25 PM
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Dont you people get tired of crying about this crap? It seems you are making an issue affect you which otherwise wouldnt. As to the OP story, i call BS all day. No lawsuits will happen because of prostate cancer and this lmao.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

You just tell them they have prostate cancer. Physically they have one and it is infected. Simple as that.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: daryllyn

If you are treating someone "like a woman," how do you tell them they have prostate cancer? Technically, you can't because women, real ones, do not have prostates.


They can still be treated.

All that's being asked here is for the preferred pronouns to be used.

It's not a lot to ask to refer to someone as the pronouns that match the gender they are living as.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: daryllyn

If you are treating someone "like a woman," how do you tell them they have prostate cancer? Technically, you can't because women, real ones, do not have prostates.


You say, "Miss, you have prostate cancer". Not rocket science. It's not like she doesn't know she has a prostate.

These threads are intentionally stupid just to give people something to stupidly bark at for a while. It's gross.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: lightedhype

The doctor could just refer to sex-specific organs in a generic manner.
"This organ here...has a tumor."...that way nobody gets offended.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:32 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: daryllyn

If you are treating someone "like a woman," how do you tell them they have prostate cancer? Technically, you can't because women, real ones, do not have prostates.


That's the most retarded thing I've ever seen you say.

But I don't believe for one second that you believe the tripe you just wrote.


Trans folk are not going to start suing doctors for giving them a prostate exam unless it's not consensual.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu


Insanity. There is no other word.


"Evil" and "sadistic" come to mind... how else explain putting an elective procedure before a medically necessary -- perhaps even life saving -- procedure? Medical care should be provided and allocated according to medical severity and need.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

If people pay for their insurance then the insurance companies should have to fork out for it.
It's not their money anyways.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Given the histrionics that transpeople seem to indulge in over everything else related to being reminded that they are not the gender they want to be, I wouldn't be very happy as the doctor to do that.

And I am being serious.

If I have a transperson who demands I use the preferred pronoun of she come in and treat them like a woman and then come down with prostate cancer ... I don't honestly know what I would do. I have someone who is so obviously wanting to be a woman, but now I have to remind that person they are not a woman by telling them they cancer of an organ that only men have.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:37 PM
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You say "Miss you have a prostate".


This is single-handedly the most ridiculous time to be alive. PERIOD. Women do NOT have prostates.

Should we also say, when you get back to your super awesome mansion (council flat) you should take it real easy and get your butler (your boyf' or gf) to help you.. . . . We can make believe all sorts of things. Guess what, IT'S NOT FRIGGING TRUE THOUGH IS IT.....

This is insanity, the whole world has officially gone bloody insane.

And if anyone brings up Skene's I'll punch life itself.
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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:37 PM
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What if I identify as a dog and want to go to the vet?
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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:37 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

That part is a lie. Doctors are not being asked to give transgender people precedence over others.

The truth is all of this is just a extension of title IX, treating everyone equally.



posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

It's simple Ketsuko. Just tell that person she has a prostate cancer. Not difficult.




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