Society is forced to be accepting of gays & transgenders.

a reply to: TrueBrit

No denying that (well worded reply by the way), I think however they have to regard to rest of the world as a passive observer. When the assless chaps is what people see, that is the image burned into the observers memory. Perhaps they should "police" the behavior of some of the people at the events to avoid being lumped in with them as a group?

a reply to: SeaWorthy Maybe you can complain to the city officials about public indecency? Gather some signatures on a petition?
I haven't seen sexuality displayed so openly in public before and not sure why there can't be a building or space to rent for people that want to go around like some sort of porno mag in your town. That sort of exhibitionist behavior is not exclusively the LGBQT community, like others have posted and I'm not getting if it is allowed solely as not to offend the LGBQT community... or people in your town are just like that in general?
I mean, a man can get put on a sex offenders list for peeing outside in some places.

a reply to: celinem



You HOMOPHOBE! Me HOMOPHOBE!

We need to march down to city hall and get our official queer paperwork and join ranks..... as that and nothing less in the eyes of the SJW is what it would take for our souls to be cleansed....

Earlier in a thread about a "Safe Space for LGBTQ" here on ATS...I asked, why here? Why DOES it need to be HERE?

And yes, I was attacked as well.

a reply to: celinem

Reminds me of the public being forced to desegregate schools, water fountains, restaurants, and accept black people.

Working out so far. Well, generation by generation.

Social engineering has been going for a while...

Social engineering. sure.
accepting others to be who they are.

Back in my great grandfathers day, he had to deal with a similar situation with suddenly having to accept black people in society, and his kid dealing with black people having equal rights and can sit anywhere. society is constantly finding new ways to basically accept one another overall and judge people on who they are, not necessarily what they are.

who knows..perhaps in 100 years it will be moaning about the concept of accepting artificial intelligence people as individuals..that will be a odd and nuanced debate..and the discussions we are having today will be so absurdly antiquated by their thoughts that they will wonder if we were all slightly mentally handicapped due to not being what they consider the norm in their point of enlightenment (or devolution..however your perspective is on the issues of race/gender/etc)

and welcome to the modern witch hunts of the XXI century, were you are a retrograde if you do not comply!

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: celinem

Reminds me of the public being forced to desegregate schools, water fountains, restaurants, and accept black people.

Working out so far. Well, generation by generation.

You would think..but I am starting to notice a swing in the opposite direction lately.
Black students demand segregated spaces from white students

originally posted by: Substracto
and welcome to the modern witch hunts of the XXI century, were you are a retrograde if you do not comply!

Define..comply

a reply to: 3danimator2014

nice agenda you got there, how much are they paying you? I want in!

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a reply to: Parafitt

The thing is, you cannot force things like this, and that is exactly what is being done. When inequality is seen, fight it, yes. I do, I agree. but force it without consideration? you're opening the doors to even more bigotry and hate. And that will not change by forcing it even more.

Such tired old BS, the same crap racists were spouting during the civil rights era.

"Oh if you create laws that say we cant discriminate, we'll just hate them more"

That's your problem, you deal with it.
People need to fix whatever is wrong within their own mind that causes them such angst over other peoples relationships.
Don't deny equal rights to others just because, oh it makes you feel icky.

K~

a reply to: celinem

I hear what you are saying - people that don't have an opinion or wish to share theirs, that just respect people regardless are being forced to openly accept it and deal with it, when maybe they prefer not too.

When in reality, an elderly gentleman may not agree with a young transgender, due to their way of thinking, religious beliefs, but still treat them with respect - due to their upbringing and religious beliefs. Then asked by a SJW what the elderly gentleman thinks, he says he doesn't agree with it, he then gets an earful saying what a bad person he is for not accepting it, when in reality, he is still respectful.

It's almost like people aren't allowed to have their own opinion, unless it serves a purpose.

a reply to: sycomix

Well I can see where you are coming from, but the thing is, that LGBT people are not all members of some club or other. They are individuals, living their lives. I am a straight male, but I do not expect to be judged by others, based on the behaviour of other straight males, and nor is it my job to police other straight males, lest their behaviour reflect badly on me.

While it is the case that at pride events, there will be a huge percentage of the LGBT community present, it is not for any one member to police the others, nor for any group thereof to perform that function. That is what we pay our constabulary for, to intervene in affairs when things get out of hand, when the law starts being broken.

Each INDIVIDUAL is responsible ONLY for his or her OWN CONDUCT! The behaviour of one member of a demographic must never be used as a measure of the conduct of others, and it must never be SEEN as one. In every case, the observer is responsible for the quality of their observations, what they learn or think they have learned from what they have seen. If I see one guy wearing nothing but a codpiece, and forty blokes in evening suits, I am going to be calling that one bloke in a codpiece either a hero of DILLIGAF, or a giant prat, depending on the context.

Another example... I am a metal head. I was at a festival a couple of years ago, and at this particular festival there were thousands upon thousands of the most badass metal heads in the country, not to mention some visiting from as far away as New Zealand. There were also two blokes, who wandered around the festival in Mankinis, and nothing else for the four days it was on for.

Their sunburn, was quite literally on them. They were responsible for their actions, and they suffered for them. But saying that all metal heads are Mankini wearing loonies would be incorrect, even if that was all one had seen of the festival, which is why the only thing that matters is what EVERYONE was doing. If three out of twenty people have too few clothes on, it's their look out, their responsibility, no one else's, and more importantly, it's no ones business to insist that everyone else in the crowd deal with that individual.

There is one massive exception to this general rule. Representatives. When someone is elected, or trains and deploys as a representative of a nation or group, whether diplomatically, as part of a government, or militarily, or even as a spokesperson for a corporation, and that person behaves badly, that is a situation where the body being represented has a duty to act to sort out the individual causing the trouble.

But that's about the only such instance in which a group can be considered responsible for the behaviour of a few, when that few is hired by the group to represent it in some way.

originally posted by: peppycat
a reply to: SeaWorthy
I mean, a man can get put on a sex offenders list for peeing outside in some places.

This is a very valid point, unless you can get around that by having a permit???

originally posted by: SeaWorthy



There are plenty of GLT whatever people who hate straight people openly, they do teach their children that hate I have seen it. How confusing is that for a kid. Lesbians seem to want no part of men but where do kids come from

I could go one there is so much to the children part of the equation.

There are plenty of straight people who hate gay people openly (sound familiar?), and they teach their children that hate - I have seen it.

You are determined to only see the negative of the gay community and you refuse to see the positive. There are many, many decent, law-abiding, charitable, hard-working people in the LGBT community, but all you see is naked people having sex in the streets. Maybe that gets in the (right wing) news more, because it sells, but that isn't the reality for the majority of this group.

How about gay couples who adopt children that no one else wants?

The couple, who live in north London, adopted brothers Timmy, Reece and Josh just under five years ago, when they were four, five and six years old; in doing so, they have become part of a growing group of Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender (LGBT) adopters who opt to care for “priority” or “hard-to-place” children.

www.theguardian.com...

After adopting Vanessa, the Hams raised their brood while functioning as a “revolving door” for foster children in emergency situations. Some of these children also ended up making the Hams’ house their permanent home, like Cooper, the 6-month-old baby they brought home in 2008 after he was abandoned behind a Wal-Mart, and his little sister Olivia, abandoned at a local hospital.

www.today.com...

Did you know there are gay Christians?

Our Statement of Faith

We believe that worship, prayer, obedience, Bible study, love, fellowship, forgiveness and service are all important aspects in the life of a Christian believer, having been saved by the grace of God and not by our own human efforts.

We believe that lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Christians are full participants in God’s kingdom, and that the ways of holiness and the ways of sinfulness are equally available to them as to others. Recognizing this, we strive to live holy lives, turning to prayer, Scripture, and the leading of the Holy Spirit to discern God’s will.

www.gaychristian.net...

How about gay conservatives? Yep, they exist.

Representing the millions of patriotic gays and lesbians across the USA by standing up for freedom, fairness, free speech, privacy and true American values.

GayPatriot is the internet home for American gay conservatives and hailed as "the most reliably conservative gay blog on the Internet."

www.gaypatriot.net...

Open your eyes and your mind a little to the fact that the LGBT community is as diverse as the straight community. Some good, some bad, some pious, some sleazy, some conservative, some liberal.

a reply to: Butterfinger Seaworthy was suggesting to me in his post that he only put up the light stuff and more intense sexuality was going on also... so all you need is a permit to go around acting out seedy porno mag scenes...not where I live thank God!
I don't mind a gay pride parade, but gay or straight... I don't need to feel like I stepped into a twilight zone red light district... in the middle of a town where it is not a red light district in some foreign country... and you just need to get from point a to b...maybe seaworthy is leaving something out but I gather his photo's were in a regular shopping and restaurant area.

a reply to: peppycat

Right, you dont need to show examples of what happens behind closed doors.

In fact if they had a little more decorum, they would drum up more sympathy(respect?)

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: celinem

Reminds me of the public being forced to desegregate schools, water fountains, restaurants, and accept black people.

Working out so far. Well, generation by generation.

Black nor your sex is not a behavior it simply does not apply.

a reply to: Butterfinger I've just never seen such a gathering, personally.
I have seen gay pride parades that made people maybe crack a little smile at their peppiness and most likely garner a little understanding, but I can't comprehend a need to over sexualize the cause... to me those photos are more about sex than gay rights or respect and the need for anybody gay/straight to over glamorize/sensationalize intimate behavior open for all to see... is beyond me... but if the townsfolk don't mind it where they are than that's their towns deal and that towns measure of what rights should be.
I don't have to visit there.