Society is forced to be accepting of gays & transgenders.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Would you bake them a cake?.

originally posted by: TheKnightofDoom
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Would you bake them a cake?.

Not for a wedding. For something else, maybe. I can bake a mean cake, and decorate the as well.

This is like saying Star Trek forced people into accepting black people because they showed an inter-racial kiss. Things change, get over it.

I have noticed that when people repeatedly run into media where someone is talking about their religion, that many are offended. "Get out of my face about it!" they feel, and often say. Even though that televangelist is not hurting them. They get more and more upset the more they "encounter" people who are displaying their religion. They feel it's being pushed on them just because it is "so around them." They feel others just won't shut up about it, and they don't want any part of it personally, so it makes them feel 'hounded' to 'pay attention! notice me! be like me! join us!' Conceptually I mean; people may not say those things literally, but I see the emotion triggered as if they were.

The whole LGBTQ or whatever seems to have a similar effect with the same circumstance. Though I notice many people who would vehemently defend this, behave exactly the same way about religion in our culture. Or vice-versa.

Now consider:

I thought about this recently as I was re-enabling an ad-blocker somewhere. The reality is, ads are not "hounding" me. They are not personally pressuring me. They are just taking up a few inches on my screen and I am welcome to ignore them. There are other pictures on my screen I am not suppressing, so why should I feel the need to suppress them, just because I personally don't want what they are offering? Why should I deny them space to be an ad rather than a pretty photo? If I don't want it shouldn't I just ignore it? If I go to a page and there are (image, not popup etc.) ads all over the place, do I feel slightly 'hounded'?

Why yes, I do in fact. I feel like, "Get outta my face with this crap! Fine, sell your products, I don't care, but I'd rather not look at your ads all over my web page. Here, I'm going to add this software that excludes you from my web universe." I disable ad-blockers only selectively for some site I like that asks for me to do so, for the sake of their income and I'm getting a free service from them I want to support.

How is it different? Some people feel hounded by televangelists and people gushing about being saved. Some people feel hounded by transexuals and people ranting about gay rights. Some people feel hounded by website ads and flashing boxes advertising tax services or viagra or -- I don't even care what they advertise, they are "an ad" which has a sort of level of offensiveness all its own to me, even though in other contexts I like ads fine.

What I am saying here is that there is a psychological response to media-in-your-face-about-topic-X that people "react" to and feel pressured or hounded by.

Is someone hounding me to be religious? Maybe not, but if they're on my TV all over and I watch TV where it's seen in passing even without my turning to 'those channels', they are in fact "in my living room going on about it." The same for LGBTQ, the same for advertising. Basically, topics like those "become" advertising -- whether intentionally or not.

I don't care about either topic much -- people are what they are, none of my business -- but I don't like web ads. And, like I explained above, I think psychologically the "reaction" those topics invoke is a little bit the same.

It doesn't make a person an angry bigot who dislikes anyone who might be christian, or gay or whatever. It just makes a person someone who starts to feel a bit psychologically assaulted by the repeated hammering of a given thing in their media. It is an effect of media that is doing this, at least where I'm from. It is creating an "incitive" reaction. It is even possible to feel resentment about even inanimate objects and services (e.g. Viagra), never mind groups of people.

It is not necessary for other human beings to personally walk up and flick you in the forehead to feel 'hounded.' Psychologically, media done a certain way, even in accidental-collusion en masse via its underlying hyperbolic nature, can achieve the same result.

RC

But have YOU, OP, ever been discriminated against?

I'm sitting here drinking with my friend and we both had the same thought, because we are older. And of course we are operating off the assumption that that is a picture of yourself that you have in your avatar.

If so - back in our day, in $$$ suburban areas, your outfit would've gotten you hassled and possibly beaten up as being too "punk". We were kids, teens, in the 80s, 90s, and as I say - both of us grew up in Upscale Suburbia. Where the preferred style of lock step conformity was "Preppy". Preppy, Sports, "It's Hip To Be Square", you step out of line even a little bit - and you might get your ass beat. You most definitely WOULD take a great deal of flak for even being slightly different.

Just keep that in mind. It can happen to anyone. Be on the receiving end of it over RIDICULOUSLY STUPID BS and you begin to think differently.

If that is you in your pic, and you were young in our day, which wasn't too long ago, and in our areas, supposedly "nice" "Leave It To Beaver" type spots - you'd have gotten hassled for wearing a shirt like that and those glasses. And it would've been Us Weirdos, Geeks, Punks, Grungers, and Gays too, that would've stepped in if you were hassled, and invited you in to our groups.

originally posted by: RedCairo
I have noticed that when people repeatedly run into media where someone is talking about their religion, that many are offended. "Get out of my face about it!" they feel, and often say. Even though that televangelist is not hurting them. They get more and more upset the more they "encounter" people who are displaying their religion. They feel it's being pushed on them just because it is "so around them." They feel others just won't shut up about it, and they don't want any part of it personally, so it makes them feel 'hounded' to 'pay attention! notice me! be like me! join us!' Conceptually I mean; people may not say those things literally, but I see the emotion triggered as if they were.

The whole LGBTQ or whatever seems to have a similar effect with the same circumstance. Though I notice many people who would vehemently defend this, behave exactly the same way about religion in our culture. Or vice-versa.

Now consider:

I thought about this recently as I was re-enabling an ad-blocker somewhere. The reality is, ads are not "hounding" me. They are not personally pressuring me. They are just taking up a few inches on my screen and I am welcome to ignore them. There are other pictures on my screen I am not suppressing, so why should I feel the need to suppress them, just because I personally don't want what they are offering? Why should I deny them space to be an ad rather than a pretty photo? If I don't want it shouldn't I just ignore it? If I go to a page and there are (image, not popup etc.) ads all over the place, do I feel slightly 'hounded'?

Why yes, I do in fact. I feel like, "Get outta my face with this crap! Fine, sell your products, I don't care, but I'd rather not look at your ads all over my web page. Here, I'm going to add this software that excludes you from my web universe." I disable ad-blockers only selectively for some site I like that asks for me to do so, for the sake of their income and I'm getting a free service from them I want to support.

How is it different? Some people feel hounded by televangelists and people gushing about being saved. Some people feel hounded by transexuals and people ranting about gay rights. Some people feel hounded by website ads and flashing boxes advertising tax services or viagra or -- I don't even care what they advertise, they are "an ad" which has a sort of level of offensiveness all its own to me, even though in other contexts I like ads fine.

What I am saying here is that there is a psychological response to media-in-your-face-about-topic-X that people "react" to and feel pressured or hounded by.

Is someone hounding me to be religious? Maybe not, but if they're on my TV all over and I watch TV where it's seen in passing even without my turning to 'those channels', they are in fact "in my living room going on about it." The same for LGBTQ, the same for advertising. Basically, topics like those "become" advertising -- whether intentionally or not.

I don't care about either topic much -- people are what they are, none of my business -- but I don't like web ads. And, like I explained above, I think psychologically the "reaction" those topics invoke is a little bit the same.

It doesn't make a person an angry bigot who dislikes anyone who might be christian, or gay or whatever. It just makes a person someone who starts to feel a bit psychologically assaulted by the repeated hammering of a given thing in their media. It is an effect of media that is doing this, at least where I'm from. It is creating an "incitive" reaction. It is even possible to feel resentment about even inanimate objects and services (e.g. Viagra), never mind groups of people.

It is not necessary for other human beings to personally walk up and flick you in the forehead to feel 'hounded.' Psychologically, media done a certain way, even in accidental-collusion en masse via its underlying hyperbolic nature, can achieve the same result.

RC

I'm going to be blunt. Your whole post was absolutely pointless. Are you really comparing human beings rights to Web ads and televangelist?

Gay and trans people are denied the same rights as straight people in a lot of places. That's why they "get in your face"

And im sorry but I'm just going to say it. If a person has a problem with that then yes that makers you a bit of a homophobe in my opinion. Because the people I know who are totally accepting (including me)...the topic of this thread and what you said never crosses our minds.

Well, you are having an armchair discussion about it on a forum, so maybe it should cross your mind. I don't think I need to re-make my point since it was in English but you still missed it.

The OP has a right to state her feelings; I just opined on why I observe other people feeling 'assaulted' by such things, even when obviously nobody's personally doing that to them. Media is "in the room with us" and if strident and extremist and annoying (as it is), can make people feel rather assaulted about all kinds of things -- even silly non-human things. I consider this one way in which media is literally harming our culture, not helping, by creating division everywhere that seems possible.

I can see that you are very angry. I don't personally have the issues of the OP. But then I pointedly avoid most media, too.

originally posted by: RedCairo
Well, you are having an armchair discussion about it on a forum, so maybe it should cross your mind. I don't think I need to re-make my point since it was in English but you still missed it.

The OP has a right to state her feelings; I just opined on why I observe other people feeling 'assaulted' by such things, even when obviously nobody's personally doing that to them. Media is "in the room with us" and if strident and extremist and annoying (as it is), can make people feel rather assaulted about all kinds of things -- even silly non-human things. I consider this one way in which media is literally harming our culture, not helping, by creating division everywhere that seems possible.

I can see that you are very angry. I don't personally have the issues of the OP. But then I pointedly avoid most media, too.

??? I'm not angry in the slightest.

I got your point. You missed mine. Never mind.

a reply to: celinem

My viewpoint of course is, that humans are all drops of the same ocean, from which they have been artificially separated temporarily.

Therefore, all BODILY or BODY-BASED stuff is unimportant compared to their soul-based stuff.

Personality matters, not the body.

So what the body lusts, is not only NOT any of my business, I don't need to know, I don't want to know, I don't care. And I definitely won't celebrate anyone's sexuality and then impose that as their some kind of identity, REGARDLESS of what that sexuality is, even if it's identical to the one I am using in this temporary body I live in right now.

Living in a homosexual body is a natural consequence of karma. You sometimes have to live in the body of the same gender multiple incarnations in a row, and then switch to the other side, still bringing your previous attraction pattern with you, it doesn't change so quickly after such an experience. So you still feel attracted to the same gender you did previously for awhile.

It's just a bodily quality, it has nothing to do with what you are as a soul. If you are a jerk, you are a jerk, regardless of your sexuality. If you are a good human being, you are a good human being, regardless of your sexuality.

I always give everyone the same 'human respect' in the beginning, and then wait for them to show and prove themselves to be one way or another. If you prove to be a jerk, idiot, hateful, atheist, etc, that's more important to me than what your body lusts.

If you prove to be wise, philosopher, compassionate, fair human being, why the heck would I care about what your temporary body lusts?

WHY people falsely make temporary bodily qualities their identity, I can never understand. It is not wise.

I am sure there are many homosexual people that do not make a big deal out of it, and who do not identify with their sexuality, but let it just be a part of their bodily attribute or something. It's not a lifestyle, it's just a lust for a certain object, whether that object is an attack helicopter or a beautiful woman, why should I care?

This world would be a much better place if people STOPPED OBSESSING WITH THEIR BODY and started realizing everyone is a SOUL and a human being.

Gender, sexuality and such temporary bodily attributes only serve when people use them for pairbonding, relationships, intimacy, reproduction and such. They don't have to be shoved into every darn thing in everyday life, it's exhausting to always have to deal with that kind of irrelevant stuff.

Your 'gayness' or 'homosexuality', your 'straightness' or 'heterosexuality' are not something to obsess about, and mean nothing to be compared to what you are like as a human being. Your personality is more interesting than what makes your genitalia flow with excitement.