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Sam Harris adds moral clarity to the attack in Orlando and Islam

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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:20 PM
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This is a great speech and I think it's worth listening to, if the left doesn't want the masses who otherwise wouldn't turn to the far right or support nationalism, the left must address this issue in the proper context, otherwise expect more far right nationalism to rise (throughout Europe and America). It is unsettling that Donald Trump has been the only candidate speaking about this WAR in it's proper context.




Here are some of the points he makes in the video.

1. (sadly and not preferred) Trump is the only candidate speaking about radical Islam in the proper context, and he did it in one sentence in his speech, " America must unite the whole civilized world, in the fight against Islamic terrorism" .

2. He goes on to say, Do you think there is a non radical form of Islamism or jihadism, if so then you are confused, would someone speak about the "moderate Nazis", in fact in his video he shows that people did during that time.

3. President Obama says," ISIL is not religious, that their perverting a great religion; they are distorting a great religion" - if we must talk this way about a religion with the fear that otherwise we are going to produces multitudes of radicals, and that the religion needs to be defended against the west. Then by definition something is very wrong with that religion.

4. the term Islamophobia is an obfuscation meant to cause confusion, a term of propaganda meant to stifle a conversation about the need for reform within Islam (reform equals separation of church and state and secularism) , Islam has a problem that we need to talk about. is it irrational to be more afraid of Islamism than of Mormonism?

5. What harms the mass majority of Muslims who love freedom and hate terror? Muslim theocracy does, Muslim intolerance does, Wahhabism does, Salafism does, Islamism does, Jihadism does, sharia law does, the mere conservatism of traditional Islam does, we aren't talking about only jihadists hating homosexuals and thinking they should die, we are talking about conservative Muslims, the percentage of British Muslims polled who said that homosexuality was acceptable was 0, almost in no other poll has 0 or 100% ever existed and non the less for such an extreme opinion.

im assuming this is the poll he's referring to which is extremely damning but does not say 100% of U.K Muslims have unfavorable attitudes towards homosexuality, but it does say more than half think homosexuality should not be legal. Im wondering where the poll is that specifically says ALL of those polled have unfavorable attitudes. Either way this poll isn't better

CNN

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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:31 PM
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Where is the outrage over Mexican cartels beheading and slaughtering people right across our border? They do things just as bad as ISIS yet it doesn't get nearly as much coverage. Why is that? Probably because they want us to focus on a certain religion and be afraid of them.

There's an agenda against Islam and the two political parties are milking it for all it's worth. Why doesn't Obama call it Islamic terrorism? Because it gets Republicans all riled up and divides both parties more and more. That's the ONLY reason Obama refuses to call it Islamic terrorism and the right is falling for it hook line and sinker in my opinion. It is a concerted effort on the part of TPTB to keep people fighting and divided, though it is not the only trick they are using.

Let's ignore the terrorism happening in Mexico, those terrorists are predominately Christians and we are focusing on Islam not Christianity.


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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

Sam Harris is a really smart guy, a fantastic philosopher, who hides his bigotry behind his PhD..

But he makes the world into a more interesting place, he is a racist.. He just uses words and psychology to make his points sound reasonable..



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Let's ignore the terrorism happening in Mexico, those terrorists are predominately Christians and we are focusing on Islam not Christianity.


how many bombing, mass shootings has mexican 'christian' terrorists committed in the past 20 years not just the US, but around the world? go on, get some stats and we'll compare. fair enough?

we cant ignore that can we? Islam never was and never will be a religion of peace.

that douche in the video, is a racist kant also.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: odzeandennz

Why should I have to do your homework for you? The terrorism by drug cartels is very real, if you choose to ignore it then I'd say you're being willfully ignorant. There are stories everyday of Mexican cartels killing families and chopping people up over drugs. And yes, many of those Mexican terrorists wear crosses around their necks and have tattoos of Jesus all over their bodies

Just to give you a sample, here's a STORY from just a few days ago. But you're right, it's not happening, they didn't really torture and kill 150 people.
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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: TechniXcality

Sam Harris is a really smart guy, a fantastic philosopher, who hides his bigotry behind his PhD..

But he makes the world into a more interesting place, he is a racist.. He just uses words and psychology to make his points sound reasonable..
Radical Islam is composed of bigots, racists,homophobes, Christianphobes, Womenphobes, and any thing westernphobes. They dont make the world more interesting, only more dangerous. They hate everyone, even other muslims. My family escaped these weirdos right before they murdered 1.5 million of my people. I never in my wildest dreams expected them to come to America, but here they come. Do I stand my ground or go elsewhere now? Even our own president supports them per exposed memos


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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: tikbalang

calling someone a bigot or a racist is a tactic of the left it just derides the conversation without addressing any of the points, and well you know that's just like your opinion man.



a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

since you are making the claim that Islamism is the same as the cartel issue in mexico, the burden of proof is on you, so i await your numbers that compare the two, and also the ideological and geopolitical reasons that they both share. I also await for you to prove that nearly every country in the world is dealing with radical cartels who are catholic, and who remove heads in the name of Jesus, and who are actively waging war world wide to achieve their ideological purposes, and if you are suggesting that is not the case, then we don't have a comparison here at all, we have a deflection.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality


"Do you think there is a non radical form of Islamism or jihadism, if so then you are confused, would someone speak about the "moderate Nazis", in fact in his video he shows that people did during that time."

Moderate Nazi's? Really?

I certainly believe there is a non radical form of Islam... My muslim neighbour has invited me and my family 2 days ago for dinner. He wanted me to experience how they break their fast. He is the kindest neighbour I've had so far. I don't believe he's practicing a radical form of Islam. 1/5 of the world's population is following a radical form of Islam according to this claim. Oh man, I must be so confused...
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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: TechniXcality

Sam Harris is a really smart guy, a fantastic philosopher, who hides his bigotry behind his PhD..

But he makes the world into a more interesting place, he is a racist.. He just uses words and psychology to make his points sound reasonable..

That's quite a slanderous indictment. Care to give us some examples of his racism and bigotry?



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:45 PM
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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: WombRaider69
a reply to: TechniXcality


I certainly believe there is a non radical form of Islamism... My muslim neighbour has invited me and my family 2 days ago for dinner. He wanted me to experience how they break their fast. He is the kindest neighbour I've had so far. I don't believe he's practicing a radical form of Islam. Oh man, I must be so confused...


Yes you are confused, but be glad people like me exist.

Is·la·mism
isˈläˌmizəm/
noun
Islamic militancy or fundamentalism.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz

how many bombing, mass shootings has mexican 'christian' terrorists committed in the past 20 years not just the US, but around the world? go on, get some stats and we'll compare. fair enough?


A "better than the muslims" rating doesn't mean that your option is acceptable, it just means it's not as #ty.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

I just posted an article from a few days ago talking about a cartel torturing and killing 150 people.

ISIS has killed an estimated 19,000 people in the past 2 or so years.

An estimated 164,000 killed in Mexican drug wars, as much as 55% the result of cartels

You say that these cartels are no threat yet they have killed just as many if not more people than ISIS in a certain time span.

Why are we ignoring something happening right across our border?
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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: Klassified

He is a brilliant philosopher



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: ReprobateRaccoon

whats more of a threat, mexican drug lords, or Islam terrorist?



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

im going to guess a majority of those people are too involved in drug cartels. drug cartels arent targeting people because of their lifestyles. they are targeting people affecting their drug cartel business, you know other people linked with drugs businesses...

what can we say about the hundreds of bombings by muslims... anyway.

i would live next to a drug lord any day, than live next to muslim terrorists. fact.

im not going to let this thread succeed, its obviously bait. all this has been discussed before.

that guy in the video is still a racist kunt.
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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Hey make a thread.

I bet you will see the outrage.


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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: WombRaider69

It's funny how you changed it to a non radical form of Islam instead of Islamism, which you originally had it, and yet you leave the sarcasm about you having must of been confused, yes you were confused, that's factual, and proven by my correction and your subsequent change, so you should also edit out the sarcasm about your confusion because in reality its just a self mockery by leaving it up. With that said, of course a non radical form of Islam exists, but that form is quite narrow, staggering numbers of literalists, and Salafists, and Wahhabists, and Islamists exist and conservative Muslims. that's the problem and that's who we are talking about and to deflect to the guys who are pure Quranist or who are secular is not honest because WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

I like Sam Harris. He's done a number of JRE interviews. He's very well-reasoned and no patsy, but his - to paraphrase - comparison of 'moderate nazis in 1935' isn't at all the same as refusing to use the term "radical Islam" in describing the atrocities perpetuated by ISIL. There is a distinction. We can all agree he's right about the Nazis. I don't understand why Barry and HRC refuse to use the term "radical Islam". After all, it's calling a spade, a spade. Period. But that doesn't change the fact that there are many moderate, peace-loving Muslims that are far removed from the atrocities of ISIL and in this context, the Nazis.

Thanks for sharing.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: odzeandennz

You should really research before you post nonsense:

Mexican drug war's innocent victims: 'They tried to kill me with my kids'


Cartels kill innocent people all the time.
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