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originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: Liquesence
They might not have an obligation to relase material. But if they want us to believe the official story - they better provide some proof.
And again: this is a fact/proof/evidence finding mission started by me.
I have no proof he was NOT there - i have no proof he WAS there.
Open investigation. I will accept any version, based on proof or evidence.
they had confirmed the shooters identity
we have no reason to believe this has no happenend
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
He was and he killed 49 people
There is more proof it was him than proof it wasn't; therefore, it is up to you to provide evidence, not speculation, it wasn't him.
I want to have solid proof.
originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: chr0naut
they had confirmed the shooters identity
Based on? How did they confirm his identity?
originally posted by: chr0naut
Mateen was shot and killed by SWAT officers (there were 11 of them engaged in the firefight) at around 5:00 PM. By 5:35, they had confirmed the shooters identity and that he was dead. There were medical and paramedic support people onsite at the first safe opportunity as there were also many injured.
The shooter was in a fire-fight with SWAT when killed. He was the one with the SIG Sauer automatic rifle and Glock semiautomatic, recovered from the body with several additional rounds of unused ammo. There is no doubt who the shooter was. To blame someone else would require that everyone else at the scene (including survivors) lie and agree on who they would blame, fabricating both evidence and accounts.
30 survivors of the attack were questioned and searched for firearms and explosives before release.
Mateen was definitely there and was the shooter.
Due process would have been to identify all the deceased at the morgue. As would autopsy of the victims if cause of death was questioned. We have no reason to believe that this had not occurred.
So far there is no PROOF. Its "the FBI said so" you would loose every case like this in court.
And i am not speculating
originally posted by: Willtell
originally posted by: chr0naut
Mateen was shot and killed by SWAT officers (there were 11 of them engaged in the firefight) at around 5:00 PM. By 5:35, they had confirmed the shooters identity and that he was dead. There were medical and paramedic support people onsite at the first safe opportunity as there were also many injured.
The shooter was in a fire-fight with SWAT when killed. He was the one with the SIG Sauer automatic rifle and Glock semiautomatic, recovered from the body with several additional rounds of unused ammo. There is no doubt who the shooter was. To blame someone else would require that everyone else at the scene (including survivors) lie and agree on who they would blame, fabricating both evidence and accounts.
30 survivors of the attack were questioned and searched for firearms and explosives before release.
Mateen was definitely there and was the shooter.
Due process would have been to identify all the deceased at the morgue. As would autopsy of the victims if cause of death was questioned. We have no reason to believe that this had not occurred.
How did they identify him?
Did his wife or someone who knew him identify him with all those bullet holes in him
Who is telling you this?
Anything we ever know about the government is only what they want to tell us
They can tell us anything and we’d have no way of knowing whether it’s true or not
You will never get solid proof unless A) you knew him and B) you were there.
They (the gov) should put his body on display and allow us to run our own DNA sampling on the remains,
originally posted by: chr0naut
The shooter was in a fire-fight with SWAT when killed. He was the one with the SIG Sauer automatic rifle and Glock semiautomatic, recovered from the body with several additional rounds of unused ammo.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: svetlana84
Dude he killed 49 people if you are going to claim anything different then show us some proof
originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: Liquesence
You will never get solid proof unless A) you knew him and B) you were there.
i can deny both, i did not know him, i was not there. And even if i knew him, AND was there it would not necessarily mean proof.
Still no proof.
And saw it.
You will never get solid proof unless A) you knew him and B) you were there.
I explained my position 3 times to you. It seems you still dont get it.
originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: roadgravel
I realise, that it might not have been the best idea with the title.
Then again, i still hope that people read more than the title.
About stating a non truth: can you proof its a non truth?
Or proof that Omar was actually at the club?
Until we have either or, we don't have the truth. All we have is FBI info.