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The Slow Death of the Syria Cease-Fire Brings a Hybrid War With Russia Closer

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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254



Poroshenko was elected. The elections were held on May 25, 2014

Just like how the peace loving the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood were elected to? oh and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood was trying to undo everything what Egypt stood for. The same way Poroshenko is doing to Ukraine.




The elections were held on May 25, 2014

An unfair reelection without the Party of Regions. But we have seen such lovely demcartic images out of Ukraine.




Funny how before the pro EU protests the Ukrainian parliament was in a better shape.




posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: Raven95

Syria is a Russian Sphere of Influence Country , try to Change that , and Putin and the Russian Military will Bite You .Word to the Wise Men of Europe , Don't Start Talkin' Smack Unless you can seriously Back It Up .



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: aorAki

originally posted by: Snarl


If first-strike nukes fly ... goodbye China, North Korea, Pakistan and Iran too.

I won't shed a tear.



...but you'll probably end up shedding your skin, with all the fall out.

God, you humans make me sick.

Fact: More than 2000 nuclear weapons have already been detonated inside the atmosphere of the Earth. I still wear my skin.
Fact: China's strategic nuclear forces could be wiped completely out with 20 nukes.
Fact: Russia's strategic nuclear forces (less submarines) could be wiped completely out with 5.

Another 5 or 10 for Pakistan and North Korea
Another 5 or 10 might be prudent to deal with India and Iran at the same time
Another 15 or 20 follow-up airbursts to EMP any retaliatory strikes that got off early
Another 15 or 20 nukes on strategic survival resources
Another 15 or 20 humanitarian strikes on population centers (to prevent the inevitable suffering)

What's that? About a hundred, cleaner, more efficient explosions than ever before (and little to no fallout ... unless it's intended). Anyone far enough away from the actual blast damage area would probably never notice.

Chernobyl produced 400 times the radiation of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima (small, but kinda dirty).
Fukushima is estimated to have produced thousands of times more radiation than Chernobyl. This one is hard to say because TEPCO will never come out with the whole truth. And, they might not even know themselves.

So ... now you know. -Cheers



posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 06:03 AM
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a reply to: Raven95

NATO isn't involved with ISIS for a reason...They aren't for fighting terrorists organizations...they are to defend against another nations military that attacks a NATO country.

You should also know that it takes a vote of member nations to involve NATO...not just the US.

Again research does you good.

You do understand the reason why no country has tried to attack the US...death to those who try.

The US has enough military might to fight a war and protect it's homeland...and if you think they can't your sadly mistaken.

What militarized zone are you talking about...he just wants to keep illegals from entering our country illegally...that is far from a militarized zone...again research does you good, try it sometime.
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posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 06:12 AM
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NATO isn't involved with ISIS for a reason


Turkey is a NATO member state and thus ISIS has being slightly a easy access into Turkey and back into Syria with ease the Turkish authorities arent doing anything.

If they are allegedly arresting supposed ISIS members in Turkey then they are doing so to make them "Turkey" appear as tough as they are on security.

Turkey since ISIS appearance hasn't done anything to prevent nor stop the oil cash flow from Turkey to ISIS in Syria.





The US has enough military might to fight a war and protect it's homeland

haha sure... So do the Russians and Chinese. The thing is with 800+ bases around the world and where is the naval defense of America's coastal areas?

The claim that US has enough military might to fight a war and protect it's homeland is pure nonsense. Unless of course you believe hollywood and its movies.




Again research does you good.

I have done my research, unless ur research comes from NATO and officials who are so supportive of the regime change in Syria and elsewhere then thats not research at all.
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posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 06:14 AM
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What militarized zone are you talking about...he just wants to keep illegals from entering our country illegally.

You cant do build just fences around the south borders without additional support. As gangs of course would find other ways to ship the illegals.



posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 07:47 AM
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So when your lie that Poroshenko wasn't elected fails you try to insinuate the election was rigged? The thing is election monitors were in place. Even Russia agrees that Poroshenko is the democratically elected leader of Ukraine.

Funny how you claim Poroshenko's election was illegitimate yet have no problem accepting the Crimea referendum. A vote done at the barrel of a gun with the only "election monitors" coming from Russia. A vote so transparently illegitimate that not even China recognizes the results.



posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 01:05 PM
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Turkey is a NATO member state and thus ISIS has being slightly a easy access into Turkey and back into Syria with ease the Turkish authorities arent doing anything.



Because their legal framework that they needed to harmonize with the EU is the reason they can come and go without being stopped...and with that agreement it restricts the security forces from checking ID's and detaining them.


“Because of legal adjustments necessary to harmonize with the European Union, the authority of our security forces to check the identity of suspects and detain them has been restricted," an officer on the Turkish-Syrian border told Al-Monitor last year. "For example, even if we know for sure that someone is an IS militant, we can’t touch him unless he has been involved in a violent crime in Turkey.”


www.businessinsider.com...

SO up until 2015 ISIS did not commit any terrorist attacks against Turkey, so they had no legal right to detain any ISIS members in Turkey.

But hey what are facts for right?



Turkey since ISIS appearance hasn't done anything to prevent nor stop the oil cash flow from Turkey to ISIS in Syria.


Really, because those who know about this situation disagree...


Analysts speaking to TIME say it’s very unlikely Ankara has anything to do with ISIS oil — and Putin’s allegation about the incident carries no weight. “To go as far to say that Turkey would shoot down a plane to protect its oil supply is unfounded,” says Valerie Marcel, an associate fellow in energy, environment and resources at London-based think tank Chatham House.

Fawaz Gerges, Professor of International Relations in the London School of Economics and Political Science, agrees that the claims amount to a conspiracy theory. “I think it would be very misleading to say there is an unholy alliance with Turkey and the Islamic State,” he says.

That’s not to say ISIS oil isn’t being imported to Turkey. Illicit criminal networks and middlemen are moving oil generated in ISIS-held territories not only across the border to Turkish buyers, but also to Iraqi Kurdistan, to rival rebel groups in Syria and Jordan, and even to the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.“ISIS sells to anyone, it’s not about ideology,” Gerges says. “They deal with the Kurds, Syrian regime, Islamist rivals. It’s just business.”


time.com...

Well why haven't you spoke up about Syria paying ISIS for oil...seems they would be the last one's that should be buying their oil and supporting their cause...especially since your fighting to keep them from overtaking your country.



haha sure... So do the Russians and Chinese. The thing is with 800+ bases around the world and where is the naval defense of America's coastal areas?


Um no they can't, one problem they have is logistics...you need to be able to get supplies to those fighting elsewhere other than your own country, and neither of those countries have that capability away from home.

Well where to begin, because where do you think those naval ships come to when done with their tours and head back to the US...that's right their naval bases located in America's coastal area.

But since you do your research then you know what I am about to link to...

That's right US naval bases on Americas coastal areas.

www.navy.mil...



The claim that US has enough military might to fight a war and protect it's homeland is pure nonsense. Unless of course you believe hollywood and its movies.


Really, because we did it in every war we have been involved with since the civil war. Also you don't really believe we would send every military personnel we have to fight a war do you, because if you think that you really are clueless.



I have done my research, unless ur research comes from NATO and officials who are so supportive of the regime change in Syria and elsewhere then thats not research at all.


I have my doubts...and there are many more places to get the information needed that doesn't come from NATO.



posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 01:12 PM
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You cant do build just fences around the south borders without additional support. As gangs of course would find other ways to ship the illegals.


And yet with that we have this...a border fence on the southern border.

www.google.com... 366&bih=643

And that happens when one way of smuggling is dealt with...again your research is amazing.



posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 01:23 PM
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A vote so transparently illegitimate that not even China recognizes the results.


Don't forget the fact that Russia's own government proved how big a farce that vote was when they slipped up and gave the actual percentage of people who actually voted.



posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 04:17 PM
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It wasn't reported in MSM and we missed it because it was not in English, but there were neo-Nazi type groups in Ukraine getting militant and making threats toward the Russian ethnics. Some of the leaders of these groups made it into the new government.

Putin is an extremely authoritarian ruler, but he does use common sense and Russia first logic to govern.

The fact that he can and has challenged the West on issues like Syria are extremely important. Libya is a hideous mess because of the way it was handled and the fact we continue to refuse to get in there and help them form government and restore law and order. The same applies to Syria.



posted on Jun, 21 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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The thing is election monitors were in place


Yah monitors to favor the outcome to the victor to the sponsors of the protesters.




A vote done at the barrel of a gun with the only "election monitors" coming from Russia.

The only reason the westerns,Americans didn't like the outcome of the Crimea referendum is because it wasn't in their favor.

Kosovo never had a true referendum.

When it comes to true demcartic process, your country government hates when people dont vote in the outcome that serves their own "NATIONAL Interests"








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posted on Jul, 7 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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President Assad and especially the unitary nature of the state of Syria will continue to be there way longer then the next US president will stay sit in office.
The upcoming attempts at using nuclear weapons in Syria will backfire on the EU and the USA.
The west stands no chance in a fight it already lost long ago! Probably when the invasion of Afghanistan began!



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