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Navy Commander Pilot Learns From "the boys upstairs" About Extraterrestrial Vehicles

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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 09:15 AM
a reply to: zinc12

Im certainly very interested in the stories behind these alleged vehicles and also the possible existence of secret Nazi bases. Dont know how much credibility i would place in them all the same.

As to the bell numerous theories reading it's design and ultimate use have been put forward. It certainly used up a lot of energy from the near by power station whatever its purposes were. A few researcher seem to lean towards it being somehow involved with the production of fissionable material.

"Put most simply the Nazi Bell was in fact a heavy particle accelerator used as an artificial neutron source to breed Protactinium 233 from Thorium 232. Protactinium would naturally degrade after 27 days into pure bomb grade Uranium 233"
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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 10:04 AM
a reply to: andy06shake

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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 10:08 AM
a reply to: zinc12

The Kecksburg UFO incident certainly lends some credence towards Die Glocke being used for more than just production of fissionable material, thats if it was the same thing/similar device.
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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 10:51 AM
a reply to: andy06shake

Yes it was a bell propulsion unit that ripped free from a test rig. The "alien" writing people describe seeing around the bell can be seen around the SS black sun symbol above.

It did not produce fissionable material but used fissionable material in its core to initiate ionization.

These devices produce a very dangerous type of blue radiation which causes accelerated cellular division in biological systems.

posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 10:59 AM
a reply to: zinc12

Apparently there are some claims as to the bell producing scalar type fields via the production of torsion fields with adverse effect on biological organisms but again scalar waves/torsion fields border on unproven pseudoscience. Certainly add to the theories that the device was connected with the generation of wormholes and lends some credence to it being a form of time machine.
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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 11:05 AM
a reply to: andy06shake

The type of energy they produce is similar if not identical to Wilhelm Reich's deadly orgone (DOR). It causes rapid uncontrolled cellular division resulting in cancerous tumours thought the body.

Yes torsion fields, it is a torsion (spin field) device.

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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 11:27 AM

originally posted by: Aliensun

originally posted by: yorkshirelad
a reply to: BO XIAN

Trouble is this is in air. No matter what weird and wonderful explanations you have for the methods of propulsion the air molecules have to vacate a certain space and the re-fill a certain space, basic physics. There would be a hell of a noise!

Well, not exactly by my thinking. IF the vehicle is producing a field for itself and the surround air, then it is basically without mass as well as the air within that area. Having no mass, that envelope of massless air can slickly slide anywhere it wants to go almost instantaneously, no wall of resistance in the front and no void is left at the rear.

Why is so hard for people to conceive a drive the moves the air around the craft ?

posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 11:35 AM
These devices when activated rarefy the air in the immediate vicinity, the craft moves in a self created bubble of rarefied air. The air is ionised and then strongly repelled away from the skin of the craft. This ionisation is most intense around the circumference of the craft which emits photons of light the emission spectra depending on the output of the core.

posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 01:06 PM
a reply to: TheKestrel04

Great posts and dialogue.

Thanks all y'all.

posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 05:01 PM
a reply to: andy06shake

This is it. You will see an incredible amount of pushback on this. Now we are not talking about dimensions of a "spiritual" nature, but more akin to Fringe or The Flash. Also, a new dimension is not created if you turn left instead of right (we just are not that important in the multi-verse). All dimension were created during the Big Bang. Only event powerful enough to create a dimension.

At the beginning, all dimension were exactly alike. Soon, small variances started to creep in (in one, two electrons collide while in another, they don't). So, the further along the time scale you will have dimensions that resemble each other but are not alike. You may have an Earth in both but you would not have two New York cities. On one Earth you have an ELE, while on another you do not. This is important.

If you will notice, may 'aliens' are adapted to our atmosphere, gravity and radiation. Why so? Because they come from a similar Earth. It would be easier to adjust dimensional resonance vs folding space and time. Occam's razor. This theory can also explain dark matter/energy, UFO's moving at high speeds with no shock wave, disappearing UFO's and much more.

The Light Slit experiment shows how all this works. It's way cool.
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posted on Jun, 22 2016 @ 06:50 PM
a reply to: ObservingTheWorld

I tend to think our universe is holographic by nature these days given that our current understanding of mathematics seem to suggest just that. Guess we will know for sure once we are able to measure at the individual unit of Planck, which is quite possibly only a few years distant.

"Also, a new dimension is not created if you turn left instead of right (we just are not that important in the multi-verse)."

This is where i tend to disagree, we are not that important at all in the grand scheme of things, but how could nature decide how much of a sufficient change is required with regards to the creation of new dimensions/timelines? That would seem to suggest intelligent design was at play.

Seems to me that any change above the atomic level would prompt and hence spawn the creation of an alternate timeline. And given that current multiverse theories imply an infinite amount of alternate universe that would not seem to be a problem.
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posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 02:20 PM
a reply to: andy06shake

So, if a new timeline/universe is created whenever we make a choice, is this limited to humans? What about other order of mammals? Foul? Insects? And if a human decision can 'create' a new universe, well, that is one hell of a choice. And can you imagine the sheer number of universes being 'created' every micro second?

I am going to stick with the multi-verse being created during the Big Bang. To me, it just makes more sense. I believe that humans are just a by-product of the universe and not it's reason for being. Oh, our egos may say otherwise but if all humans ceased to exist tomorrow, the universe would just carry on and never notice we ever were.

Also, magic and the ethereal is a no go. Hard physics only. This theory states that when an electron in a hydrogen atom disappears from one location to appear in another is a void being filled. In one dimension a electron moves to a different state leaving a void. Another electron from our dimension moves into that void. We then receive even a different electron. So, why don't we just randomly move dimensions? Mass. You would need to have all atomic structure within your body move to the new dimension resonance/frequency at once. Will not happen without an outside force.

This now brings us to the light slit experiment. We the results of this experiment is observed, we see photons hitting all over the place. However, when you examine the photon before it goes through the slit, you get very predictable results. This is to be expected as the photon you are measuring resides within this dimension so it will behave as expected. In other words you are measuring photons that have the same dimensional resonance/frequency as the measuring device. If you do not measure it, you will get results from photons that are moving or exist in multiple dimensions and will see them all over the place and not in a regulated pattern.

There is more but since this is a one person theory, it will be rejected anyways.

posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 02:55 PM
a reply to: ObservingTheWorld

"So, if a new timeline/universe is created whenever we make a choice, is this limited to humans? What about other order of mammals? Foul? Insects?"

That's my point who or what would decide? When is there enough sufficient change to provoke the spawning of a new timeline/universe?

"And if a human decision can 'create' a new universe, well, that is one hell of a choice."

I dont think humans have anything to do with it. It would seem that anytime there is a change above the atomic level a new universe is created, which is not a problem considering multiverse theory implies there are an infinite amount of other universe.

posted on Jun, 23 2016 @ 03:40 PM
Sonic boom mitigation and aural stealth.

Interesting topic. They are actively doing both these days.

Shaping of aircraft is for sonic boom mitigation. Currently the aircraft due to the unique shaping required have to be very slender and needle like. The shaping of the winglets (wing tips) is also critical. The forward end of the fuselage should be more pronounced on the dorsal and a relatively flat ventral surface. At the moment we have a bird that 120+ feet in length and makes no audible sonic boom if above a relatively low altitude. (Not going to give specific altitude but relatively low) she can also pull off this stunt while going blistering fast. Much faster than the old sr71.

As for aural stealth to eliminate the shriek and roar of the engine is a technology borrowed from navy hydraulics research(they wanted to know how to move a fluid in a way inside submarines so you wouldn't hear hydraulics actuating torpedo doors etc...)

To accomplish this on the exhaust of the jet they have plasma actuators that tweak the exhaust flow by puksing out of phase or whatever with eddies in the ehaust that cause tge roaring sound. Smooths the exhsust flow right out and no more roar of the jet letting you know its somewhere lurking overhead on a battle field.

They do the same stunt on the inlets to smooth air inflow getting rid of that annoying whine/shriek jet engines make.

As for the aura one of the posters said tgey saw around the ufo or craft. Correct it did. They envelope the vehicle in plasma. The plasma depending on how charged ufo it is will glow all sorts of pretty colors.

From there they, using a phase conjugated laser, pump from the vehicle into the plasma cloud surrounding it whats known as a "dark" soliton polarized laser. The soliton laser makes the plasma cloud separate a little from the vehicle creating in effect a plasma bubble that surrounds the vehicle. The bubble has to be teased out to a certain dimension which then functions as a EM resonant cavity. The laser pumping this cavity is then parametrically adjusted so that as they lower the frequency they amplify the noise coning grom the frequencies phase domain. Due to heisenbergs uncertainty principle the phase noise will have frequencies present in minute quantities that are near or just below the noise threshold. In effect miniscule negative energy from the vacuum. Normally you cant do much using this technique called quantum optical squeezing, however when coupked eith a bose Einstein condensate you can drop way below the noise threshold and really dip into negatively perturbed vacuum harvesting more negative energy. This process in effect reduces mass and gravity. The negative perturbed region of space will create whats known or speculated as tachyon condensation. Which will visually manifest as pretty soft bluish purple (similar to plasma but not quite in appearance, but do to the spectrum of light envolved being partially in the ultraviolet will have a fuzzy effect to it) glow known as cherenkov radiation. Basically an optical version of a "sonic boom"

This is the safer mode of propulsion.

Even faster but more dangerous is to use the same rig but operate it differently so that you pulse it (the now resonant plasma cavity the vehicle is residing in) at a frequency thats in accord with both the zpf or plank frequency and the compton/de broglie wavelength/frequencies. This will essentially be resonant with the frequency of the vacuum, which is not empty but a virtual EM waveform static to every point in the universe. Think of it justvthe same as any medium you wpuld have to fly or sail through (air or ocean) the vacuum acts as a dielectric. The mass travelling through it is also a dielectric (have different impedances to EM propigation) the two mismatched dielectrics interacting create a refraction index and impedance (like drag) this in turn creates inertial mass and as a side effect of that via equivalence gravity. It also sets the speed limit for a process known as spontaneous photon emission frpm the vacuum. Essentially how photons propagate through the vacuum. Ie "c" -constant, the speed of light. If you get this resonant plasma cavity enveloping the vehicle to be at the above discussed frequency you get matched impedance and all particles in that field will essentially not create that EM drag from travelling through the vacuum virtual EM waveform removing the conditions that create inertial mass (probably resting mass too) and gravity. But it also alters the value for the speed of light exponentially allowing forvthe spontaneous photon emission process to happen much faster (allowing superluminal speeds) to perhaps instantaneous propigation ie basic teleportation of the effected test mass. (Vehicle)

So no warping of space, no time dialation, no infinite energy required, probably very little energy once rig is up and running no relativistic issues. No stupid albecurrie earp drive.

To create motion just make the field a gradient of intensity front to back in of the vehicle in the direction you intend to go. The uneven displacement of the vacuum pressure will squirt the ship in the direction desired.

This second method is more dangerous though.

Both require a spining superconductor which will eventually cause the vehicle to spin on its axis like a top and be unstable when hovering (like a wobbling falling leaf) due to counter rotation at the parimeter of the spining energy field. (Ie the earlier disc shaped vehicles-classic ufos)To create a stable configuration you need three of these superconductor s in a triangular configuration. This locks in the counter rotation and makes the vehicle stable in flight (modern triangles)

So in ahort I think the guy had a genuine sighting of a usa military vehicle.

Ps radar especially in the long wavelengths interferes with the EM resonance of the plasma cavity disrupting the field effect and causes the vehicke to crash. So ufos have limited military applications.

posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 12:18 AM

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Jonjonj

Better option would be to pretend to be our God, which quite possibly they are, and whether or not its even true a considerable amount of people would believe anyway. Then bend and shape us to there own will.

Did you see my Angels or Aliens post? Angels or Aliens

I support the extra-dimensional theory as a possible realm of intelligence, especially extreme intelligence. Where does spirit begin and end? Extra-dimensional beings could travel through black holes and have other other fantastic abilities.

Any aliens more intelligent than us could manipulate us in many ways for ages without ever making themselves known. They might cause us to evolve and inspire enough technologies until we are ripe enough to be exploited. No violence or loss necessary to achieve it. The natural order is for the greater to exploit the lesser. God help us!


posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 01:09 AM
a reply to: BASSPLYR

(A lengthy post, won't try quoting...)

Do you think that surrounding an object with a sheath of plasma, of an amount of energy greater than the total thermal (or perhaps additional?) energy contained within the objects mass, and then rotating that energy with respect to the object, will cause the object to decouple from all other external fields far from the object, including gravity? The external electromagnetic fields would see the plasma field instead the object. Then other fields can be projected externally to move the lowered apparent mass.

I have seen some videos of ET craft which seem to show a sweep of plasma across the craft, like one would use to pull through a fluid.

Have you seen the ARV plans?


posted on Jun, 24 2016 @ 06:43 AM
a reply to: AZ12345

I did not manage to view your thread yet, will give it a go.

"Where does spirit begin and end?"

How long is a piece of string?

"Any aliens more intelligent than us could manipulate us in many ways for ages without ever making themselves known."

I think we call that particular brand of control construct organised religion.

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