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originally posted by: TheSorrow
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Exactly. That goes back to my main point. You don't have a clue. As a result those who believe in conspiracy theories fill in the blanks.
BUT THE 9/11 COMMISSION SHOWED THAT SEPTEMBER 11TH WAS A REAL TERRORIST ATTACK, RIGHT?
Whether or not you believe that governments carry out "false flag" terror, you might reasonably assume that the 9/11 Commission investigated September 11th, and concluded that Osama Bin Laden and his group of terrorists were solely responsible.
Unfortunately, a quick look at the government's investigations reveals that -- not only has there never been a real investigation -- but the behavior of government representatives in willfully obstructing all attempts at investigation comprises evidence of guilt. Specifically, in all criminal trials, evasiveness, obstruction, and destruction of evidence all constitute strong circumstantial evidence that the accused is guilty or, at the very least, not to be believed. 9/11 is no different.
For example, the former director of the FBI says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission.
And the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).
Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.
9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history.
9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."
9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"
Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission, who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."
But let's back up and look at the 9/11 Commission in more detail. Preliminarily, President Bush and Vice-President Cheney took the rare step of personally requesting that congress limit all 9/11 investigation solely to "intelligence failures", so there has never been a congressional probe into any of the real issues involved.
The administration also opposed the creation of a 9/11 commission. Once it was forced, by pressure from widows of 9-11 victims, to allow a commission to be formed, the administration appointed as executive director an administration insider, whose area of expertise is the creation and maintenance of "public myths" thought to be true, even if not actually true, who was involved in pre-9/11 intelligence briefings, and who was one of the key architects of the "pre-emptive war" doctrine. This executive director, who controlled what the Commission did and did not analyze, then limited the scope of the Commission's inquiry so that the overwhelming majority of questions about 9/11 remained unasked (see this article and this article).
Didn't look like any plane crash I've ever saw, but in the grand scheme of things I haven't saw that many plane crashes. But I still believe the perpetrators of this were planning on that crashed object crashing into WTC 7, which was then pro demo'ed, tho no plane struck it. I will Google Iron Mountain fit 93, but I'd imagine that's well covered if true, never heard this tho, thx.
Like i said above something i find interesting is why people believe 9/11 conspiracies.
1.How was the Pentagon hit 80 minutes after the attacks began? An Air Force Base was 10 miles away.
2. How did the VERY novice terrorist execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon?
6. Why did the BBC report the destruction of WTC7 BEFORE its demise? How did they know it "fell" while it was still standing?
7. Why were the buildings the longest structural fire in recorded history? Even with millions of gallons of water being poured on top of the side it was the longest burning structural fire ever recorded.
I don't hope to change the mind of anyone,
originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: cuckooold
This evidence alone is one of the main reasons I do not believe in the Official narratives of 911, and the fact is, there was no investigation done about 911.
The 911 Commissioners where stone walled in every direction. Talk about a major government cover up, this is proof enough for me.
originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Kester
How the concrete etc.became dust is described here. www.abovetopsecret.com...
So you use a conspiracy site as evidence ?
"Your honor I can prove my testimony."
"Because I said so."
The truth is that there was a battle among two opposing fractions of the secret government in America, over the plans for the future of the nation.
The signal we got, as outsiders, was the date 911 == EMERGENCY, and The Twin Towers representing the "PILLARS" of "JACHIN and BOAZ" being taken down. That told us that this war was going on at the FREEMASONIC Level of the hierarchy of the secret government.
It was a real battle, with real individuals, with differing political views. It just occurred in the hidden world that cowans are not allowed to peer into, so that the public news stories had to spin the events as something else.
originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: AMPTAH
At our root all human behavior is self serving.
Every thing I do is for my own interest(s).
Even when I donate money, I do it to make myself feel better.
Because of this self serving behavior world domination can never take place.