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FL Attorney Says Growing Veg Not A Fundamental Right {front yard}

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posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 11:20 PM
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life,liberty and pursuit of happiness...

Vegetable plants must infringe upon others right to only view grass lawns.




posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 12:12 AM
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originally posted by: Annee
I have never understood the ban on growing food any place that has soil for it.



Because in the old days, the "tax" you paid was a portion of your harvest. But, today all "taxes" are paid in coin. So, there must be a "transaction" involving money in order for the records to be created upon which taxes are assessed and due to Uncle Sam. When you grow and pick your own tomatoes, there's no tax to the gov. But, when you buy those tomatoes from the grocery store, there are lots of taxes all along the delivery chain.

You are not allowed to be self-sufficient. It is illegal.

Same reason why you can't collect your own rain water, or make your own electricity. Only a farmer can grow his own food. Because he is growing for many other people who buy the food from him.

You are not allowed to be selfish, you must be doing things for others, and paying Uncle Sam along the way.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 12:23 AM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

far far far tooooo true.

Hideously so.

sigh.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 12:26 AM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

if all that was true, then no one would have any garden anywhere.. but, instead, they let people use food stamps to buy seeds.

I don't really think that we can have a vegetable garden in the front yard where I live. but we have a garden area on the side of the house.
and I've seen pictures of some lovely vegetable/flower gardens on the web that make your average garden look kind of drab.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Annee
I have never understood the ban on growing food any place that has soil for it.



Because in the old days, the "tax" you paid was a portion of your harvest.


Not buying that.

No one cares about why something was tax in the past.

Its about property values.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 12:34 AM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Annee
I have never understood the ban on growing food any place that has soil for it.



Because in the old days, the "tax" you paid was a portion of your harvest.


Not buying that.

No one cares about why something was tax in the past.

Its about property values.

And guess what? Higher property values mean higher property taxes! Yea! Woohoo!



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 12:39 AM
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originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Annee
I have never understood the ban on growing food any place that has soil for it.



Because in the old days, the "tax" you paid was a portion of your harvest.


Not buying that.

No one cares about why something was tax in the past.

Its about property values.

And guess what? Higher property values mean higher property taxes! Yea! Woohoo!


Don't I know it.

But, looking up who pays highest property taxes is surprising.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 12:42 AM
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a reply to: Annee
I suppose it depends but it's generally quite regressive. The longer you own your property and the more it appreciates the more you pay. In places where values appreciate this means that you're going to be paying more and more, no matter what your income does.

If you inherit property but don't make a lot of money, you're screwed unless you sell it.
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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:23 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Annee
I suppose it depends but it's generally quite regressive. The longer you own your property and the more it appreciates the more you pay. In places where values appreciate this means that you're going to be paying more and more, no matter what your income does.

If you inherit property but don't make a lot of money, you're screwed unless you sell it.


Depressing.

Happy I downsized, in the extreme.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:27 AM
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a reply to: Annee

I really, really like my house.
20 years next month.

I could have a garden, but I don't.
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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:30 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Annee

I really, really like my house.


I gave mine to my ex and his new wife, and new kids.

He is 20 years younger. We were at different places in needs/wants. As said, I'm logical/practical.

I did get a trailer



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:31 AM
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a reply to: Annee
Heh.
No trailers allowed here'bouts.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:32 AM
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a reply to: AMPTAH




You are not allowed to be selfish, you must be doing things for others, and paying Uncle Sam along the way.


Funny because that sounds a whole lot like socialism, but the coin goes to government and not the people ...



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 02:44 AM
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a reply to: GBP/JPY



we have voluntary H O A here

HOA in Georgia
Home - yes its my home
Owners - Yep I own it
Association - and you can keep your Ass'n in your own home and out of my business
Peace



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: AMPTAH

if all that was true, then no one would have any garden anywhere..


Many laws are not enforced evenly across the nation.

Jay walking is against the law, but most cities and towns don't bother to enforce it.

So, people tend to forget there's even a rule about where you can walk.

They sort of freely do what they want, believing that they are in a nation of "freedom" and it's their right.

Today, however, governments are becoming more vigilant, as the need to raise revenues to pay the public purse is becoming critical. So, any previously allowed activity, that can now be denied to further the goal of raising tax revenues, without having to raise tax rates, is guaranteed to become denied, which will shock those freedom lovers. It's not only "offshore" tax havens that the government wants, it's all "avenues" of tax revenues that is coming under inspection.


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posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

well, I believe that they would stop allowing foods stamps to be used to buy seeds (which is actually encouraging small gardens) before they would ban gardening all together. heck there's plenty of people living in apartment complexes that have turned their patios into small container gardening.

it's more about how the neighborhood looks to others, and is similar to having people complaining about your yard not being as well kept as they believe it should be. high expectations is killing this country in so many ways.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 05:55 PM
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Thats ridiculous. We should all be producing vegetables instead of lawns.



posted on Aug, 6 2016 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: BO XIAN in town i used to live people on several streets planted mulberry bushes between street and side walk i remember many a day walking to school eating mulberries for breakfast. city thought it was a good idea and let them grow





posted on Aug, 19 2016 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: BO XIAN

So a "stealth garden" with some "edible ornamentals" added in seasonally would be an option for the front.

An idea to start with would be a nice looking trellis along a front wall with some "red runner beans" growing up. These have very nice looking red flowers which attract butterflies as well as hummingbirds. Keeping your mouth shut, and acting like you don't know that the beans in the seed pods which you are gathering to plant next year are actually edible would make sense.

Okra have pretty flowers which resemble their cousins the "hibiscus". If you do not plant them a straight rows, but plant them in a single row in front of the running beans, with some more standard planter varieties in front, then it would be even more "stealthy." While the roots are the edible parts, ginger and turmeric have very nice looking foliage. As long as you refer to your harvesting as "thinning," nosey neighbors would be none-the-wiser.

Also useful for SHTF scenarios, where you want a "garden" which the ignorant masses would not know to plunder.

Think of it as a "hidden garden" in plain sight. There are many "edibles" which if left without identifying markers (perhaps just numbers, so only you would know), would not at all look like "vegetables".

If you plant "heirloom" varieties and "seed save," rather than "harvest," then you could really have the last laugh.

Just a thought...
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M



posted on Aug, 29 2016 @ 08:42 AM
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Oh wait, so what this means is that your money is yours to keep but anything that would save your life in SHTF situations is somehow not yours? In a case where money is probably the last thought in most people's heads?
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