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Michelle Obama Tells Men To 'Be Better'

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posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

The articles citing this are really just click bait.

Oprah and the First Lady talked at length about their experiences, but the people ( IE the NPR woman who first wrote this story ) could only focus on the quotes which would antagonize men as a whole.

Best to ignore this drivel.

-FBB




posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 08:26 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
Are you guys really this bored that you have to attack someone's positive statements?

I agree with her.

Period.

Really.

If it was about any other demographic, you'd be one of the first to be offended on that group's behalf.

We've already covered the potential reactions if this was a man saying this about women. Let's try some others.

"You young people need to be better [insert whatever here]."

"You black people need to be better ... "

"You Muslims need to be better ... "

"You gypsies need to be better ... "

I could go on and on, and you'd be offended by all of them.

Except if I did it to white people. And Christians. Those would be ok. Anyone else, and you're screaming bigotry from the rooftops.




posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: FriedBabelBroccoli

True. She had a few shining moments. My favorite was...

"The Presidency doesn't change who a man is, it reveals who he is".


edit on 18-6-2016 by Bone75 because: typo



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: NthOther

Bull#.

All of us, whether we are black/white, Muslim/Christian, should be trying to improve ourselves constantly.

You are trying to inject some sort of political white-Christian persecution complex and I refuse to play that game.

Let's say the same thing about women. Let's say the same thing about Muslims.

It is a universal concept.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 08:33 PM
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Is this one of them precious snowflake threads?

Telling the men who are not good fathers to step it up is somehow offensive?..


I am going to officially state this is a snowflake thread.
edit on 18-6-2016 by shredderofsouls because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

It is a universal concept.


So tell us again why she singled out men.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: introvert

It is a universal concept.


So tell us again why she singled out men.


She was speaking at a summit that was focused on women's issues. The "men" aspect was just a small side side note.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

We're not allowed to single out men?



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: geezlouise
a reply to: Bone75

We're not allowed to single out men?


If you want to out single men, then it might get awkward.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

lol.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: geezlouise
a reply to: Bone75

We're not allowed to single out men?


Don't get me started woman.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: geezlouise
a reply to: Bone75

We're not allowed to single out men?


Don't get me started woman.


Can you not respect a similar approach by women, such as MO, when it comes to men?

Like I said, it's universal.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 09:12 PM
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a reply to: notquiteright


Also, it's kind of funny. "dishes and laundry". The thing is, yes men are expected to (and do) help out with these things...

They do? Where? Which ones???


...... that for many years were called "womens work".
Women who stay at the home and take care of the buildings and grounds are working. Hard.



But I can tell you, I have yet to see my wife (or any others) push the lawn mower, take out the trash, or get under the car to fix or maintain the vehicle.

Then you are married to (and see) only women who are prima donas.

I am a woman who takes out the trash, mows the lawn, manages the house in general, checks the oil and antifreeze, knows how to change a tire, can manage plumbing and roofing and painting and all that other cool stuff, and is very capable of diagnosing and dealing with the tasks of adulting.

Women have equality options to pick and choose.


Maybe, but real Real women don't do that. Ditzy women, yeah.....and meanwhile make you think they are helpless...

learned/contrived "helplessness" is not a female nor a male thing....
but I doubt you all want to hear about how that happens. So, I'll just leave this here.
Have a great night, everyone.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: geezlouise
Ya'll are a bunch of haters.

I love Michelle Obama's message here. It's all positive and self empowering and the general message can apply to all people, of all colors, of all sexes, and etc.

What I am beginning to understand here at ATS is that... ya'll are basically the haters.


You seem a good person if a bit naive, but her message was insulting, condescending and typical for someone of her ilk. She is an elitist with an agenda to sell.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

OK snowflake, she was talking about those men who slack off from being a good father, partner...etc and telling them to step up. Stop being offended by things that don't concern you or are you one those men who lack in those areas.
edit on 18-6-2016 by shredderofsouls because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 09:46 PM
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I am only about 20 min in, leaving a bookmark.


So far i like Michelle's positions

- about expectations from society: "I really tried not to limit myself by the expectations of others"
- i can, because i know who i am , it s important to know who you are
- get the haters out of your life, sourround yourself with positive people that support you



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: notquiteright

They do? Where? Which ones???

I do. Other married men that I know do as well.



Women who stay at the home and take care of the buildings and grounds are working. Hard.


You may have misunderstood my intentions on this one. I never meant to imply that it is not work. However, just to point out, men don't usually have the option to stay home and do this sort of work.




Then you are married to (and see) only women who are prima donas.
I am a woman who takes out the trash, mows the lawn, manages the house in general, checks the oil and antifreeze, knows how to change a tire, can manage plumbing and roofing and painting and all that other cool stuff, and is very capable of diagnosing and dealing with the tasks of adulting.

Unlike Michelle, and others who make blanket statements regarding entire demographics, I never said all women behave this way or that. I would say that you are most likely the exception and not the other way around.



Maybe, but real Real women don't do that. Ditzy women, yeah.....and meanwhile make you think they are helpless...
learned/contrived "helplessness" is not a female nor a male thing....
but I doubt you all want to hear about how that happens. So, I'll just leave this here.
Have a great night, everyone.


I tend to agree with you on this one. I think most often the "helplessness" is a way to get someone to do something they would rather not do.
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posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: svetlana84

Yeah she also said a lot of good stuff.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 10:16 PM
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i watched the whole interview now.

I Love it: 2 strong self empowered woman talking about self-esteem, human values, about becoming a better person, about how positive deeds create more positivity.

Oprah brought the ML King quote: Not everybody can be famous, but everyone can be great.

The passage about men "Be better" is around the 26min mark.

It s said in a humourus way, and the message is to be a better person, a good father who cares for the kids. can t see anything wrong with that.
It helps the world if everybody tries to be a better person.

And it does not make you less manly if you take care of your kids, au contraire!

So, Onequestion: i think you overreacted a little bit.
I understand there are a lot of speeches which are quite mean towards men.
This one is in my views not one of them.

positive thing is, through this thread i have seen an inspiring video, and i thank you for that.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: svetlana84

There's a very real agenda happening to destroy the hero archetype and masculinity.

They want people who aren't rugged individualist so that we can't resist.
edit on 6/18/2016 by onequestion because: (no reason given)



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