Diminishing quality of the labor pool

What do the new generations dream of?




The dream of a world where family is more important than business. ... or at least, everything isn't sacrificed on the alter of work. For me though. The youth seems to dream of ownership.

Mike Grouchy

The youth seems to dream of ownership.

I don't see that in the chart you presented. Do you have any statistics on the attitudes of millennials toward owning real property versus, say, renting?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Uh no. It sounds like a young guy taking orders, worried that he was.going to let his superiors down.
Likely overwhelmed by his first day on the job.
A new worker is not going to tell his superior to piss off.

Understanding others is not your strong suit.

a reply to: Phage

Ownership is a much more difficult task for my.generation.

Starting a.business 20-30-40 years ago was way easier than it is today. It's hard to compete against China and mega corps for contracts

Owning a home is even harder as wages decline and the good jobs are given to h1b visas or other immigrants who will work for less

All under the guise of a skills gap which is total b.s.

originally posted by: mikegrouchy
What do the new generations dream of?

The dream of a world where family is more important than business. ... or at least, everything isn't sacrificed on the alter of work. For me though. The youth seems to dream of ownership.

Mike Grouchy

Do you know how hard businesses work to grow by 15%? With families usually comes furniture, washer drivers/extra cars, lawn mowers,vacations...

My guess, that graph doesn't show the extent of the problem. I would guess the majority of people not having kids are not on government assistance and the majority who do get govt assistance still are having kids. (Educated people are not having children - which might explain why the OP sees a decline in the labor pool).

Terrible for business......and it shows the short-term focus of most business.

Sure driving down wages might make your profits go up for a few years. Eventually though, you will have sucked all the value from your customers (who most likely are workers) and there will be nothing left to suck.

I mentioned a while back that welders are hard to find. A South Bend radio station is running an ad that a company will give you a job while you go to welding school and will guarantee you a job when you graduate. A friend told me $17 while you go to school and the company pays for that then $25 with in a year after graduation.

Not too bad of a deal then if you manage to get in a nuke plant and get nuke certified it's $1000 a day show up if you work or not. That takes about 5 years to get nuke certified then you can work at any energy plant in the world. Nuke , coal or whatever has openings.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: jimmyx

You're right.

I should pay some special snowflake 100K just to work a few hours a week and not actually do the job.

Really?

Can you imagine being a millennial and seeing your parents being laid off, benefits being cut, wages not moving yet the company's profits continue to grow, the calls at all hours, working obscene hours when your parent is on salary and basically being treated like crap?

Millennials know they are replaceable and will not take the crap that a Gen X or a baby boomer will. Treat them like crap and out the door they go! Hats off the millennials they have it right.

Because only a fool would agree to this #, and that's what there is to choose from for the most part....

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If you accept this conditional offer in accordance with its stated terms, please indicate your acceptance by signing your name.

No, I do not agree because I can read.

I cannot agree to such bogus things as this for a measly $11.00 an hour.
If you want to hire me on for more I might, but not that piddly wage.
# You.

The type of people who are stupid enough to agree to such bull# are an indicator of the quality of your workforce.

I would rather eat roadkill than agree to this #.

And all of my health issues would probably go away then, because it would more than likely be healthier food than the # I get at the store.


I especially like section 12, it's so comforting.

a reply to: AssiduousSpook

Were you planning on proving any of these ramblings with actual statistics or are we supposed to believe that you have a finger on the pulse of the ENTIRE country's hiring pool and potential? Heck do you even work in an HR department to make this judgment call to begin with?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Thats what I currently do....

a reply to: [post=20880699]MyHappyDogShiner[/pos

You will if you want to eat, but not much else.

a reply to: DBCowboy

The agreements people are forced to sign to get a job pretty much take away any chance of earning one in the future.

Slaves.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I worked for a very large manufacturing company and they moved %75 of their production personnel to temp help. The main driver is the $14 an hour they paid the temp company and the worker received $9.

And the company had an open policy to share the profitability of the business info with full-time employees (bonuses instead of raises), and it was very profitable, in the billions.

This "took" $16 an hour + benefits jobs by the hundreds and turned them into temp jobs.

And let me tell you, compared to the full timers those temps were pissed. No money, it was a struggle to get to work because of car issues, health issues, drug addiction issues and some were just plain scary. All the while the temp company got $5 and hour and the company got to make MORE $!!!!

Is a unionization the answer?

a reply to: seasonal

But doesn't that speak more towards business decisions than a diminishing quality of labor supply? Businesses have been trying to get more from less forever, and yes we need some new lifeblood injected into the unions. Over the last several decades we've let the Republicans tear down the unions and employee representation has gotten worse and worse.

originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
a reply to: DBCowboy

The agreements people are forced to sign to get a job pretty much take away any chance of earning one in the future.

Slaves.

From what I can see there is plenty of $ being made by businesses, bit the distribution seems to be flawed.

Some attitudes are-screw em they are unskilled, lazy, UN-motivated so min. wage for them. Some even go so far to say lets loose the min wage. Ok but get ready to pay more for medicare, food stamps, housing costs and ect.

See there is a cost to paying people low wages. Because these lazy people still get sick and they will receive treatment, who do you want to pay? Company funded insurance or tax payer funded social services? THINK real hard.

From all the negative comments I've received, I have to wonder what an ideal work schedule, salary would look like to those of you that scoff at an 80K salary that requires long hours and a work ethic.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
From all the negative comments I've received, I have to wonder what an ideal work schedule, salary would look like to those of you that scoff at an 80K salary that requires long hours and a work ethic.

Why does the work schedule have to change from the standard 40 hour Monday - Friday work week that we've always had? I understand that some jobs like IT require you to be on call after hours, but it really should be unacceptable to demand you be required to work off hours because the business demands it. You don't see factory workers staying 4 hours after everyone left to make sure they get that last batch of cars off the assembly line or anything.

It seems like when businesses shifted from factory work to office work, leaving unions behind, they started redictating employee rights and what they "deserve" again. And we all just sucked it up as the standard. Now we have people like you pretending like if a worker is unwilling to work more than 40 hours a week and not on weekends, HE is in the wrong.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: seasonal

But doesn't that speak more towards business decisions than a diminishing quality of labor supply? Businesses have been trying to get more from less forever, and yes we need some new lifeblood injected into the unions. Over the last several decades we've let the Republicans tear down the unions and employee representation has gotten worse and worse.

I agree as well
Organized Labor has been demonized to almost non existence. They make up 8% of the workforce
Meanwhile, Organized Business has brought us things like H1B, Amnesty for Illegals, China Trade, the TPP and so on

The deck is stacked in favor of Organized Business