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Contrails or Chemtrails? You decide.

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posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: 3danimator2014

Soot is one component of burnt jet fuel.

Is soot, dust?

You're right, I didn't say "dust" either.




posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: 3danimator2014

You're right, I didn't say "dust" either.


Incorrect. Your claim:

Iv'e argued about seeing the dust rain down from the contrails here on the west coast, its visible on the western skyline at times under the right conditions. It does eventually fall out, it has to.
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posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:00 PM
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a reply to: Phage

(Insert farting sound) It eventually descends, settles out as fallout to the surface.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: Phage

You're right I did say 'dust', didn't I.

You know what I meant.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

No really. Not unless entrained by subsiding air or washed out by rain. Sub-micron sized particles do not really fall. Nor are they visible as "dust."



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Phage

You're right I did say 'dust', didn't I.

You know what I meant.


What else can you mean by dust?



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Phage

(Insert farting sound) It eventually descends, settles out as fallout to the surface.


Not necessarily. Particulates that size will stay adrift for a LONG time . Sometimes on London we wake up to cars being covered in a fine coating that is sand from the Sahara. It's rare but ice seen it 2 or 3 times. But sand grains are a lot heavier than exhaust particulates and they STILL manage to fly in he air from north Africa to the UK. imagine how far smaller particles would travel



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Phage

You're right I did say 'dust', didn't I.

You know what I meant.


What else can you mean by dust?

What I first said:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Later I said dust and particulates so I didn't have to repeat the lengthy description. If you had read my post you would know this.

You're paling the same semantics game Phage is…



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Phage

(Insert farting sound) It eventually descends, settles out as fallout to the surface.


Not necessarily. Particulates that size will stay adrift for a LONG time . Sometimes on London we wake up to cars being covered in a fine coating that is sand from the Sahara. It's rare but ice seen it 2 or 3 times. But sand grains are a lot heavier than exhaust particulates and they STILL manage to fly in he air from north Africa to the UK. imagine how far smaller particles would travel


Stays up a looong time. What is this, a viagra commercial?



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

And you claim that you can see sub-micron sized particulates falling from contrails.
*farting sound*



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Phage

(Insert farting sound) It eventually descends, settles out as fallout to the surface.


Not necessarily. Particulates that size will stay adrift for a LONG time . Sometimes on London we wake up to cars being covered in a fine coating that is sand from the Sahara. It's rare but ice seen it 2 or 3 times. But sand grains are a lot heavier than exhaust particulates and they STILL manage to fly in he air from north Africa to the UK. imagine how far smaller particles would travel


Stays up a looong time. What is this, a viagra commercial?


Joking aside


Do you see what I'm saying?



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: waynos


What has backlit got to do with it?

Once the particulates descend below a certain altitude the water vapor is no long visible. At that pointit helps to see the remaining 'exhaust' compounds and soot if they are backlit by the sun.



What? That makes no sense. Water vapour is never visible, and if these particles only become visible below a certain altitude (which in itself is nonsense anyway) then how do you know you are looking at something from jet exhaust at all?



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Phage

You're right I did say 'dust', didn't I.

You know what I meant.


What else can you mean by dust?

What I first said:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Later I said dust and particulates so I didn't have to repeat the lengthy description. If you had read my post you would know this.

You're paling the same semantics game Phage is…


Ive read all your posts.

Your wording im a sense is irrelevant...the particulates coming from a jet engine are far too small for a person to see falling from the sky. Even with your super eye sight



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:26 PM
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I gotta tell ya...in the 1960's ....contrails that developed more than twice the original into a cirrus layer were rare....and southern Colorado never had haze hanging east of the front range like these days.....and the aviation weather professor remarked in 1976 as such.....so think how I feel...plus the msdsheets are latent for jet fuel ....

the best cloud forming compounds are aluminum and barium, and it's tracked in historical air and water source records, accessible by all.

here's the biggy.....the contrails persist and were personally observed to be toggled by....

edit on 18-6-2016 by GBP/JPY because: like those boys coming south out of Tinker

edit on 18-6-2016 by GBP/JPY because: our new King.....He comes right after a nicely done fake one



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: GBP/JPY


the best cloud forming compounds are aluminum and barium, and it's tracked in historical air and water source records, accessible by all.

here's the biggy.....the contrails persist and were personally observed to be toggled by....



Except all those tests were carried on ground water and earth, meaning they were subject to other sources of pollution, rendering the tests utterly pointless.

How do you not understand this simple concept? If one can't isolate where the pollution came from then how can one come to any meaningful conclusion?



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: GBP/JPY


the best cloud forming compounds are aluminum and barium
According to whom?



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 05:57 PM
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I gotta tell ya...in the 1960's ....contrails that developed more than twice the original into a cirrus layer were rare.


Compared to when?

Air travel picked up significantly in those years after the 60's.



So of course you wouldn't have seen as many back then.

Also advancements of engine technologies have produced engines that are more efficient but produce more contrails.



here's the biggy.....the contrails persist and were personally observed to be toggled by....


Nobody, as pilots can't turn them on and off.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h



Also advancements of engine technologies have produced engines that are more efficient but produce more contrails.
This is true.
But contrail persistence is determined by RHI. So, while high bypass engines may produce contrails when older engines won't (under marginal conditions), the presence of a greater number of persistent contrails is due exclusively to more air traffic. And, possibly, changes in humidity at flight levels.

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posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 07:29 PM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Phage

You're right I did say 'dust', didn't I.

You know what I meant.


What else can you mean by dust?

What I first said:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Later I said dust and particulates so I didn't have to repeat the lengthy description. If you had read my post you would know this.

You're paling the same semantics game Phage is…


Ive read all your posts.

Your wording im a sense is irrelevant...the particulates coming from a jet engine are far too small for a person to see falling from the sky. Even with your super eye sight


Even with super eye sight, physiological visual acuity limits means you can't see anything that subtends an angle of less than roughly 5 arc minutes, or, 1/12 of a degree. Contrails are at 35,000 feet or more. So, anything at that altitude that is less than a dimension of 48.9 feet is invisible to the human eye. The carbon black soot emitted by jet engines due to the incomplete combustion of long chain hydrocarbons is about 200 nm. That is about 600 billionths of a foot.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: F4guy

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Phage

You're right I did say 'dust', didn't I.

You know what I meant.


What else can you mean by dust?

What I first said:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Later I said dust and particulates so I didn't have to repeat the lengthy description. If you had read my post you would know this.

You're paling the same semantics game Phage is…


Ive read all your posts.

Your wording im a sense is irrelevant...the particulates coming from a jet engine are far too small for a person to see falling from the sky. Even with your super eye sight


Even with super eye sight, physiological visual acuity limits means you can't see anything that subtends an angle of less than roughly 5 arc minutes, or, 1/12 of a degree. Contrails are at 35,000 feet or more. So, anything at that altitude that is less than a dimension of 48.9 feet is invisible to the human eye. The carbon black soot emitted by jet engines due to the incomplete combustion of long chain hydrocarbons is about 200 nm. That is about 600 billionths of a foot.


49 feet seems quite large. Interesting. Thanks for that info.



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