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US TO RUSSIA: We're staying in the Black Sea

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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:33 AM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: awareness10

Bully you say...what and where have I bullied anyone?

If you can't handle the truth maybe conspiracy theories aren't for you...life isn't all butterflies and balloons.

Report me if you have a problem with the way I reply as that is why we have the alert button.


I can smell bullies from a mile away. It's you who cannot handle the truth Tsurf, life isn't all attacking people and sh'tting on them for laughs. Perhaps you should grow some, and have a little respect, can you handle that?




posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

These same Tatars in Crimea sold women and slaves to the Ottoman empire and have attacked Eastern Slav's during the Ottoman empire era.



So Eastern Slav's have the right to go in and take a portion of an ethnic autonomous region because...um...Russia?


The majority of Slavs make up the majority of the population. And they would rather side with Russia and not Kiev because of the past issues.




You do realize that is what happened with Crimea right?

So NATO Americans now speak for the whole world then? if the Slavis felt oppressed why haven't they protested ? started a uprising? you know why?

Because they dont feel oppressed and your American news media only reports the one side of it.
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

I doubt you even believe in conspiracy theories.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: Raven95
a reply to: paraphi




The countries that made up the Soviet Union were occupied and subjugated.


Those same countries were also saved by the Soviet Union from the fascists. , NATO was formed after the fall of the fascists. And its quite clear why with their anti Russian mentally.

You mean when the fascists decided to cut up Poland and split it?

Or are we speaking of a different soviet union?



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I forget to mention unlike the Western News Media, Russia Today is not one sided on issues. Compared to your beloved Western News media.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:38 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

You mean the pact which the German Fascists broke and started attacking? the Russians made a pact with the nazis because they wouldn't believe that the Nazis attack Russia. Stalin was wrong.


Its quite amusing to see people here defend the German Fascists side when it comes to that pact.
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: Raven95




These same Tatars in Crimea sold women and slaves to the Ottoman empire and have attacked Eastern Slav's during the Ottoman empire era.

well we have to go quite a way back in history to find the Ottomans.




The majority of Slavs make up the majority of the population. And they would rather side with Russia and not Kiev because of the past issues.

The majority indeed are Slav's. That doesn't mean they support Russia. Little green men assured that they do though.




So NATO Americans now speak for the whole world then?

I actually really don't like America in its Eastern policies. Glad you could lump me up in that sum though, really shows your colors. I hear St. Petersburg is quite beautiful this time of year, would you recommend it?



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: Raven95
a reply to: Vector99

You mean the pact which the German Fascists broke and started attacking? the Russians made a pact with the nazis because they wouldn't believe that the Nazis attack Russia. Stalin was wrong.


Its quite amusing to see people here defend the German Fascists side when it comes to that pact.

The soviets agreed to that same pact. You are aware of this right?



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:45 AM
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a reply to: Vector99



That doesn't mean they support Russia. Little green men assured that they do though.


They actually do. You see thats the point i was trying to make, the western news media only talks one side of the issue but not the rest. For years since the color revolution in Crimea Slavs have being ignored by Kiev.


As for the Little green men they were volunteers, like how there are US marines in Syria assisting rebels who arent even moderates.


They the green men are the modern day Cossacks.




I actually really don't like America in its Eastern policies.

Then its best that America doesn't meddle in affair of Eastern policies.




I hear St. Petersburg is quite beautiful this time of year, would you recommend it?


I am not Russian nor do i understand it.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:46 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

The soviets agreed to that same pact. Because they believed that the fascists would invade or expand further. They had no issue at that time.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:48 AM
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originally posted by: Raven95
a reply to: Vector99

The soviets agreed to that same pact. Because they believed that the fascists would invade or expand further. They had no issue at that time.

So the soviets are willing to make deals with the devil when it's convenient?



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: Raven95
a reply to: Vector99



That doesn't mean they support Russia. Little green men assured that they do though.


They actually do. You see thats the point i was trying to make, the western news media only talks one side of the issue but not the rest. For years since the color revolution in Crimea Slavs have being ignored by Kiev.


As for the Little green men they were volunteers, like how there are US marines in Syria assisting rebels who arent even moderates.


They the green men are the modern day Cossacks.




I actually really don't like America in its Eastern policies.

Then its best that America doesn't meddle in affair of Eastern policies.




I hear St. Petersburg is quite beautiful this time of year, would you recommend it?


I am not Russian nor do i understand it.

Start here my friend



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:52 AM
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originally posted by: Raven95

Those same countries were also saved by the Soviet Union from the fascists. , NATO was formed after the fall of the fascists. And its quite clear why with their anti Russian mentally.


I think you are confused with history. The Soviet Union conspired with Nazi Germany originally, then occupied most of Eastern Europe when the Nazis were defeated. Unlike the West, the Russians did not allow those countries pre-war freedoms. They were absorbed into the Communist Soviet Union and subjugated. Other countries were added after the War. Ultimately, the Russian got more than they ever dreamed of when the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was signed.

NATO was formed in 1949 to counter the Soviet Union, which was a threat at the time because it was demonstrating the art of violent occupation and expansion.

Whole populations suffered under the Soviets e.g. the Volga Germans, Chechens, Ingush, Balkars, Crimean Tatars, and Meskhetian Turks, to name just a few. Must have been great to be part of Russia.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 08:00 AM
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a reply to: Raven95

Really? You're trying to justify persecution of Tatars based on events that transpired during the Ottoman Empire? So that means the actions of Stalin are also free game to bring up. Like shipping the native population of Ukraine out of the country and shopping in ethnic Russians. Or starving millions of Ukrainians to death.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: Raven95

Yes, i see - ATS contains a lot of members, who are contra USA, most of them i think is americans. But how insane of that if one is contra US and he/she choose same time to be a pro Russia? At least, as american, one can say what one want... in Russia this is different.

Russia, novadays, is maffia ruled, neostalinist and more and more faschist wannabe imperium. Only ignorant or troll can say something good at that. Russia troublemaking is way too dangerous to leave as is and only force what can mobilize, must be NATO. Russis wanna destroy and rape Europe and other neighbouring states. My hope is they fail a big way.

And yes, im supporting NATO with my full force, but this not does make me US guardian.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254



Really? You're trying to justify persecution of Tatars based on events that transpired during the Ottoman Empire?




Oh and what you the Jewish the Chosen people are doing to the palestinians eh? and Syrians?


"The Golan Heights are Ours Forever"

How is what Israel did in Syria not annexing? oh yeah the Chosen people

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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 08:04 AM
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a reply to: SaddledMummy




Russia, novadays, is maffia ruled, neostalinist and more and more faschist wannabe imperium.

So America is not Mafia ruled? with an alleged democratic society that uses super delegates. And are using the military to overthrow govs they dont like.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 08:05 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

I didn't want to waste my time, on discussing this thread, but I just can't help it, when I read something like this.



NATO was formed in 1949 to counter the Soviet Union, which was a threat at the time because it was demonstrating the art of violent occupation and expansion

What on earth are you talking about?

NATO was not formed so they could defend poor countries that Soviet Union did not occupy. That is simply not true. NATO's was formed to protect capitalism, and counter communism, in countries who were going trough transition.

You know nothing of history.

The west and Soviet Union, agreed to split the world in sphere's of interests. So, the Russians got eastern Europe, Yugoslavia, while the west got the western europe, and they split greece.

So, your argument that NATO was formed to help those countries, is simply not true. If they had a problem with those countries being annexed and/or occupied, then, they should have done something about it. Because they did not, I think it tells you something about it.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254


So that means the actions of Stalin are also free game to bring up.



Were the poor Ottoman Barbarian Turks massacred by Stalin? no they were deported. The events during the Ottoman Empire are not the only one.

Your beloved Turk Tatars sided with the fascists during WW2.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 08:08 AM
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a reply to: SaddledMummy

Now, this is the definition of a blind, ignorant man, who has his opinion formed, based on bunch of television shows, and reading obvious propaganda.

What on earth are you doing on ATS, if you are unwilling to look into stuff yourself, before making any judgment? I've seen some biased posts on ATS, but none as ridiculous as yours.

You do not even deserved to be responded to. But I'm just a sucker for BS posts.



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