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US TO RUSSIA: We're staying in the Black Sea

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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 07:07 PM
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originally posted by: Raven95
Got tons of ammunition agaisnt your little so called UN fact. The UN Authorized the protocol only to defend civilians from the alleged air strikes. The UN article never Authorized NATO nor Americans the right to be Libyan Rebels Air Force.


To be honest, you really need to do some research without the blinkers. What the UN authorised is well documented and what NATO did was within that authorisation.

Besides, NATO has always worked within UN mandates. Not sure Russia had a mandate when they attacked Georgia and annexed Crimea. Nope, just checked. No mandate.

UN Resolution 1973




posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 08:43 PM
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NATO:

www.army-technology.com...


"NATO is useless." Those were the words of one veteran journalist writing about NATO back in 2008. NATO had failed in Afghanistan, as it had done in Serbia, and it proved to be a 'rotten' fighting force in Kabul. Its attempts at diplomacy were no better, said the Guardian's Simon Jenkins. "Now it has become a diplomats' Olympics, irrelevant but with bursts of extravagant self-importance."

Up until 2014, Jenkins was not a lone voice. NATO was created 65 years ago to counter Soviet aggression and prevent another occupation of Western Europe. Its initial membership of just 12 countries has ballooned to 28 and at least seven more countries, including Georgia, Azerbaijan and Ukraine, are involved with NATO under what is termed Individual Partnership Action Plans. This has led to criticisms that NATO is too large, making it unwieldy and dysfunctional. And what use does it have when the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia no longer poses a threat?


www.macleans.ca...

warnewsupdates.blogspot.ca...

Nato loves to waste tax payers $.



The UN:

en.wikipedia.org...

Moral relativism


Moral relativism In 2004, former ambassador to the UN Dore Gold published a book called Tower of Babble: How the United Nations Has Fueled Global Chaos. The book criticized what it called the organization's moral relativism in the face of (and occasional support of)

genocide and terrorism that occurred between the moral clarity of its founding period and the present day. While the UN during its founding period was limited to those countries that declared war on at least one of the Axis powers of World War II, and thus were capable of taking a stand against evil, the modern United Nations has, according to Gold, become diluted to the point where only 75 of the 184 member states during the time of the book's publication "were free democracies, according to Freedom House."

He further claimed that this had the effect of tipping the scales of the UN so that the organization as a whole was more amenable to the requirements of dictatorships.


Point 2


Allegations of globalism There have been controversy and criticism of the UN organization and its activities since at least the 1950s. In the United States, an early opponent of the UN was the John Birch Society, which began a "get US out of the UN" campaign in 1959, charging that the UN's aim was to establish a "One World Government."

Charles de Gaulle of France criticized the UN, famously calling it le machin ("the thingamabob"), and was not convinced that a global security alliance would help in maintaining world peace, preferring that the UN direct defense treaties between countries.


Point 3


Debates surrounding population control and abortion The United Nations Population Fund has been accused by different groups[who?] of providing support for government programs which have promoted forced-abortions and coercive sterilizations. Controversies regarding these allegations have resulted in a sometimes shaky relationship between the organization and the United States government, with three presidential administrations, that of Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush withholding funding from the UNFPA.

The UNFPA provided aid to Peru's population control program in the mid-to-late '90s, when it was discovered the Peruvian program had been engaged in carrying out coercive sterilizations. The UNFPA was not found directly involved in the scandal, but continued to fund and work with the population control program after the abuses had become public.The issue played a role in the Bush administration's decision in 2002 to cut off funding for the organization.


Point 4

Democratic character of the UN

Other critics object to the idea that the UN is a democratic organization, saying that it represents the interests of the governments of the countries who form it and not necessarily the individuals within those countries. World federalist Dieter Heinrich points out that the powerful Security Council system does not have distinctions between the legislative, executive, and judiciary branches: the United Nations Charter gives all three powers to the Security Council.

Another concern is that the five permanent members of the UN Security Council are five of the top seven largest arms exporting countries in the world.

Point 5

Fait accompli

The practice of the permanent members meeting privately and then presenting their resolutions to the full council as a fait accompli has also drawn fire; according to Erskine Barton Childers, "the vast majority of members –

North as well as South – have made very clear...their distaste for the way three Western powers behave in the Council, like a private club of hereditary elite-members who secretly come to decisions and then emerge to tell the grubby elected members that they may now rubber-stamp those decisions."

Point 6


Multi-Sections System According to Yigal Palmor, former spokesman of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the multi-sections system of the UN prevents individual players or those who don't have geographical friends from participating in the United Nations System. He says that Israel is the only UN member, in the whole UN system, that have been prevented by the UN from playing the game like everyone else.

Palmor claims that due to the multi-sections system of the UN, Israel is being systematically excluded from all geographical sections and groups, and due to that Israel can't even apply to most of the UN councils. Israel originally should belong to the geographic section of Asia, but due to objection from Arab and Muslim countries in the region (such as Iran, Iraq etc.) it has been excluded, since its establishment. From time to time Israel has been accepted in the "Western countries and more" sections, but it's very limited.


and on and on and on...

edit on 6/17/2016 by awareness10 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 11:12 PM
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a reply to: awareness10

Yes I find it ironic that if Russia had just waited NATO would have fell apart. Instead Putin starts his land grabs and then starts trying to assert the Russian military breathing new life into NATO. They owe there very existence to Putin. The irony is lost on many people especially the Russians that claim NATO was a threat. Before Crimea countries were not paying dues and there was even talk in the US about disbanding it. NATO was on life support and what does Putin do instead of letting it die he nurses it back to Health and gave it a purpose it didn't have.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 12:49 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

I don't see how NATO Is a threat to Russia considering Russia was a Partner for peace NATO member for years.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 02:45 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: dragonridr

I don't see how NATO Is a threat to Russia considering Russia was a Partner for peace NATO member for years.


How is NATO a threat to Russia? We often hear that accusation. It's become a mantra without substance.

It seem the only threat is the threat that Russia's belligerence is tempered. That's good for Russia and the rest of the world. Basically, NATO is doing what it was set up for.

If there was no NATO do think Ukraine would still be sovereign? Or Georgia? Or the Baltic States?



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr


NATO was on life support and what does Putin do instead of letting it die he nurses it back to Health and gave it a purpose it didn't have.


He needs the "threat" of NATO to justify his aggression.



posted on Jun, 18 2016 @ 06:10 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: dragonridr


NATO was on life support and what does Putin do instead of letting it die he nurses it back to Health and gave it a purpose it didn't have.


He needs the "threat" of NATO to justify his aggression.


and the Russian people... Reviewing Russian media and comments by their politicians the West / NATO / EU / US are the reason for Russia's woes.



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

He needs the threat of NATO to justify his eternal re-election and oppression.

He is still running the tired old KGB playbook.
edit on 19-6-2016 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Neither are CNN,FOX,CBS,ABC,MSNBC news sources



posted on Jun, 19 2016 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
Neither are CNN,FOX,CBS,ABC,MSNBC news sources


There's more to Western media than these. Media is deep and diverse. Critically, it is not government controlled. That's a real difference with Russia.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi
If there was no NATO do think Ukraine would still be sovereign? Or Georgia? Or the Baltic States?


I think in that case those countries would be Russia's fastest growing imports (occupied by russia).



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:04 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Birds are in the air we are at Defcon three



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:11 AM
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a reply to: khnum
The cow jumped over the Moon and the fiddle danced with the spoon.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:17 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Ok click on link for more specific English

www.defconwarningsystem.com...



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:18 AM
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a reply to: khnum

I'm aware of the system, thank you. I grew up doing duck and cover drills.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:19 AM
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a reply to: Phage

The last time this site went to level 3 was 9-11 you might want to brush up on your old skills



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:21 AM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: Xcathdra

Birds are in the air we are at Defcon three


Your Defcon site is a private site. They are free to make up whatever they want..

Do you know why? The actual Defense Condition is classified.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:24 AM
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a reply to: khnum


The DEFCON Warning System is a private enterprise which monitors world events and assesses nuclear threats against the United States by national entities. It is not affiliated with any government agency and does not represent the alert status of any military branch. The public should make their own evaluations and not rely on the DEFCON Warning System for any strategic planning. At all times, citizens are urged to learn what steps to take in the event of a nuclear attack.



posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:31 AM
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a reply to: Phage




posted on Jun, 20 2016 @ 01:32 AM
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a reply to: khnum

Yeah. I know.
I got under my desk at school. A lot.

edit on 6/20/2016 by Phage because: (no reason given)




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