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US TO RUSSIA: We're staying in the Black Sea

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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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Here's a friendly thought why doesn't the USA give Arizona, California, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Nevada and Texas back to Mexico as a sign of good faith before asking Russia to give the Crimea back to the Ukraine.

After all those were annexed by American troops whom were invading Spanish towns and cities..

So its only fair that America returns the annexed states back to Mexico. And maybe Alaska should be returned to Russia?
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: Raven95

the U.S bought those territories from Mexico for the 15 million dollar debt that Mexico had at the time the war ended.
why people want to keep on saying that the U.S. took the land without paying just shows that they know nothing of the treaty signed at the end of the war in Mexico City.

here's a link,



On his own initiative, Trist offered an indemnity of $15 million, judging that this would gain acceptance for the treaty among those who felt that the United States had already paid enough in "blood and treasure." Trist asking Mexico for peaceAfter reaching agreement on all these issues, Trist drew up an English-language draft of the treaty and Cuevas translated it into Spanish, preserving the idiom and thought rather than the literal meaning. Finally, on 2 February 1 1848, the Mexican representatives met Trist in the Villa of Guadalupe Hidalgo, across from the shrine of the patron saint of Mexico. They signed the treaty and then celebrated a mass together at the basilica.
War's End The Treaty of Guadalupe HidalgoTreaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo

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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:11 AM
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:14 AM
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a reply to: Raven95

Way to try to twist my words around. Clearly you know that your position is untenable. Using your logic it's clear you support the single greatest mass murderer in history. A man who was so indiscriminate about killing that his kill count is more than twice that of Hitler's and that's just counting his own citizens. Thanks for showing your true colors here.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:14 AM
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why people want to keep on saying that the U.S. took the land without paying just shows that they know nothing of the treaty signed at the end of the war in Mexico City.


I could say the same about whats happening Crimea that was the point of my post. You Americans fought with blood and steel for these states to be yours.

So have the Eastern Slavics who fought along side with the Cossacks agaisnt the Ottoman Empire. If you Americans dont know the history of Crimea nor Eastern Europe.


Then you have no rights as a world police force to ask other countries to do same.


The Russians and Serbs asked you if Kosovo can be returned to Serbia the American gov said no.


An eye for an eye.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:15 AM
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It is provacation and the US knows this. Same as keeping a ship or two placed near China.

It's just what the US does and I am pretty sure it is just a case of "we can do what we want" symdrome. Harmless enough for now.

Sure, Russia and China do the same, but it tends to be closer to their home.

The only reason they do is because they know no one will actually respond in a physically aggressive way.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

I am no supporter of Stalin nor dictators but its clear when it comes to the Eastern European affairs and its history you Americans are clueless, and lack any understanding of the region.




Thanks for showing your true colors here.


Nice ad hominem, but i have not supported Stalin anywhere in my posts or threads care to cite it up? Stalin didnt massacre Tartars they were only deported.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:18 AM
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What NATO is doing is a provocation if it wasn't a provocation why is NATO asking Canada to send its military then? Remember Kosovo? remember how Bill Clinton and NATO threaten Russia of starting a nuclear war over Kosovo?


Ironic isn't it?
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:20 AM
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your just talking out your a@@, have been the whole thread.
anytime someone shows you your wrong about something, you pull something else out of your a@@ and try to twist it another way.

how old are like 10, i'm done with you, you putin fan boy.


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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:21 AM
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Using your logic it's clear you support the single greatest mass murderer in history.


Just like how u were using Hitler and suggested that the Tartars sided with the lesser evil. Those were your words not mine.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:23 AM
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how old are like 10, i'm done with you, you putin fan boy.


30+ are you satisfied young boy?




anytime someone shows you your wrong about something


Funny i have not being wrong so far about anything let alone to those four guys who love Turkey so much.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:24 AM
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how old are like 10, i'm done with you, you putin fan boy.

First the mocking then the insults and the bullying. And now by saying i am a Putin fan boy what should i be a Obama fan boy? NATO fan boy? Hillary fan boy?



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: Raven95

What NATO is doing is a provocation if it wasn't a provocation why is NATO asking Canada to send its military then?


Lost with your logic. Why is NATO asking Canada to do such an awful thing? Really, why? Why and what? What are the Canadians sending that is making Russia so worried?



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

Ah are you trying to mock and insult me by pretending that your interested in debating? nice bullying tactic.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:28 AM
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Why dont you go troll somewhere else troll



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:29 AM
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So your saying Russia is at war with Ukraine did you tell Putin? Oh and I guess Georgia too since your trying to claim spoils of war. Hardly the same situation and an obvious lack of history on your part. Buy hey it sounded good didn't it until reality came in to play.
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:30 AM
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first off you were wrong about the U.S taking land from Mexico. i showed you the U.S bought the land for 15 mil. then you pull some sh@@ out your a@@ about Crimea and Russians and Serbs, where they haven't even paid anything for land or territory that was taken, apples and oranges my 30yr old adolescent friend, apples and oranges.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:30 AM
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I started a thread which i had hope to turn into a friendly discussion but it seems you and your little gang decided to mock. And bully and now your just bullying by pretending to be interested in the debate.


12 pages of bullying. I was trying to stay on point. So Its clear whose trolling here.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:30 AM
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I brought this up and made another thread that these new war saber rattling has been slowly turning to an all out war.

And I got scoffed by most MEMBERS on ATS, I have no idea what to say to the level of ignorance most of you are in.

A state of "war delusion"


I'm just waiting for the next false flag that could happen in the black sea if that were the case

www.abovetopsecret.com...


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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 10:30 AM
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. How long till detering becomes an invasion of Russia?


Also Russia is feeding it's warmachine see mk.ru. I'm afraid we are heading towards a new cold war or perhaps WWIII. It's now time for a new perestrojka before it's too late. Putin made it very clear what would happen if hillary is installed.



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