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Is Science Bullsh*t? John Oliver Explains The Corruption Behind Scientific Studies

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posted on Jun, 16 2016 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: TzarChasm

Your ignorance about me and my motives is showing brazenly.

Again.


We all know the game you are playing here. It will go the same as the other one you got bored with.




posted on Jun, 16 2016 @ 11:08 PM
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a reply to: BO XIAN

When are you going to stop pushing and cramming your religious agenda down our throats through poorly veiled attempts to lump science with your made up fantasies?

Yes, there are problems in the science world -- but not with the methodology. And if there are, unlike religion, it can change/adapt/correct itself.

Science represents the understanding of change, the why the how. It is the antithesis of faith, which is why you are forever posting threads about it.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 12:26 AM
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a reply to: BO XIAN

He was. Been gone awhile now, but things he said stick around.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 02:08 AM
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originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: BO XIAN

He was. Been gone awhile now, but things he said stick around.


Condolences and congrats.

Nice to have good memories.

What were his main fields of interest and expertise?

Thanks.

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(post by TheKnightofDoom removed for a manners violation)

posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 02:46 AM
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originally posted by: BO XIAN
I agree with your points in this post.

This post is DIFFERENT from the other one.

The OP was about WHERE THE FLAWS ARE.

The OP was NOT ABOUT trashing the whole train because a bear got in the caboose.

It's not that difficult, folks.

Y'all can send the pack of straw dogs back to their kennels.



originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: BO XIAN

I would have to argue the point here. So here goes.

Pop musicians often write bad music for big money, and the record industry keeps hiring them to do it. Is music dead?

Some clergy persons molest children, and their bishops and higher ups have done little about it. Is Christianity satanism?

Some people in Essex have a reputation for having more STDs than a porn star turned two bit hooker, and their neighbours are ambivalent about it. Is everyone in Essex a giant whore?

Some scientists prefer to make money, than make world changing discoveries with science. Those whose job it is to keep the quality level of information provided by the scientific community to the rest of the world, seem to be ok with that. Is science BS?

The answer to all of the above questions, is a resounding, and utterly comprehensive NO. WHY? Because quality music is still made, because there are still Christians out there who cherish the word and spirit of Christ, and because not every single person in Essex has to have a visit from a HAZMAT team from Porton Down, just to dispose of their prophylactics. In the same way, quality science, done for the right reasons, and in the right way is being done DESPITE the fact that those who administrate its various appendages have all the ethical backbone of a jelly sandwich.

Understand this. Science is a technique of mind. It is not an organisation, it is not a person, or a place, or an item. How poorly it is used, understood, or delivered does not take away from the fact that when used as it ought to be, great things can come about, and that will remain the case no matter what ridiculous schemes and tales are told by those with a qualification in it.

Put another way, as long as gravity continues to act upon me, and every other thing in this universe, science will continue to be a useful tool of the mind, and those who use it descisively and ethically will still have major contributions to make to the future of this species.


You are right that science is capable of great things. However, scientists always stand on the shoulders of giants. Every scientist starts by studying the work done by science before him. The problem today is that 1/3 to 1/2 of scientific articles published today are unsound due to many factors, particularly dueto the funding process. These fake studies undermine the scientists of the future.They also erode public trust in science every time a family member goes to the hospital for stitches and dies of a fatal drug reaction.

There are multiple problems here. There is a lack of unbiased funding for science. Children are not taught the scientific method in school.They aren't taught critical thinking, either (probably because it leads to questioning authority). Science is flooded with mediocre students who are then encouraged to follow the money. Peer review refuses to publish anything that might affect their own reputations (like studies on telepathy conducted well) but pushes through mediocre studies that encourage funding. Truly scientific people often pursue underfunded areas that are interesting (like health problems caused by GMOs) but then get blacklisted for accidentally pissing off corporate sources of funding.

If you truly love science you must stand up and demand quality science and science education right now, because every false study that gets published sets us back 3-5 years, and every true study that gets swept under the rug sets us back decades. Every time someone gives up on science completely, science itself loses more potentially unbiased resources. Science was not always like this. It's getting run into the ground.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 03:09 AM
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a reply to: anotheramethyst

Very well put.

Alas, I don't think things will change significantly before they crash every thing down around our ankles.

It's about time to refocus on taking care of one's self and one's nuclear family. Other options are rapidly diminishing.

I don't know what the oligarchy will do with science in the transition from horror to greater horror.

They will likely run key elements of it underground--probably literally.

They have long commandeered child prodigies and given them abundant support for expanding knowledge in areas that furthered the oligarchy's tyrannical controls.


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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 03:53 AM
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a reply to: noonebutme




Science represents the understanding of change, the why the how. It is the antithesis of faith


All the more reason to be like water...thx Bruce :
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Makes me wonder why people go on about the science tells us...... yet it is ever evolving



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:00 AM
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Scientists are the stars, the luminaries of the atheist world.

How will they feel, the people that is, that look up to scientists as their gods, when all of their lights flicker and go out. And they prove to be no saving power of what is about to befall humankind.

Quite mislead of course.

And those scientists themselves will feel utterly hopeless and rue the day they thought they could become the gods of the world to whom mankind could look to for salvation.

They will realize how utterly foolish their falsehoods were. They did not save themselves, or anyone else.
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:10 AM
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a reply to: PeterHawkes


Scientists are the stars, the luminaries of the atheist world.


Of the atheist world eh...

Im sure you've benefited from science in your life time

Take a peek at the screen you're staring at... sure as hell wasn't a priest who created it




posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:15 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: PeterHawkes


Scientists are the stars, the luminaries of the atheist world.


Of the atheist world eh...

Im sure you've benefited from science in your life time

Take a peek at the screen you're staring at... sure as hell wasn't a priest who created it



Sure man has reached the moon, and created the atom bomb, even nuclear bombs such as the hydrogen one.

Has science made earth a better place? A safer place? Has it ended sickness? Got rid of natural disasters? Disease? War? Will it end death?

People who look up to scientists as their luminaries and the lights of the world put them in the place of God. They will not deny that place. The ones I have seen. They take the limelight, deny god, and put themselves and human knowledge on a pedestal, as you have done.

Will your monitor be your savior? Your guiding light?

You have been utterly and totally fooled by your false gods.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:18 AM
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a reply to: PeterHawkes

what a load of horse turd...

And by the way i am no atheist

Scientists are not...EVER looked upon as Gods... they are educated people working in their fields

Has religion made the world a better place?

in actuality the world would be a much better place if religion didn't exist...




posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:22 AM
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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: PeterHawkes

what a load of horse turd...

And by the way i am no atheist

Scientists are not...EVER looked upon as Gods... they are educated people working in their fields

Has religion made the world a better place?

in actuality the world would be a much better place if religion didn't exist...



False religion is used by Satan to control the world and leave it in mental and spiritual darkness, keep you in slavery.

So is politics and the commercial system of things.

True religion benefits mankind. And you do not know of it, and therefore cannot understand how it helps humankind.

And yes, in effect by putting scientists in the place of God people do make it their idol of worship, their god, their guiding light, which is darkness itself. It will be no savior.

You did not answer one single question of mine, but I answered all of yours.

That is because you have no answers, just as your gods do not.

And you will not be saved by your false knowledge in the end either. Or with trickery, no matter how wise you imagine yourself to be. You too will be calling for the mountains to fall down over you to cover you from the one whom you will have to give an account to on that day if you don't open your eyes.
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posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:32 AM
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a reply to: PeterHawkes

sigh...


False religion is used by Satan to control the world and leave it in mental and spiritual darkness, keep you in slavery.

So is politics and the commercial system of things.


Satan does not exist


True religion benefits mankind. And you do not know of it, and therefore cannot understand how it helps humankind.


True religion, which of course is Christianity... obviously

Which i know back words... forwards and inside out


And yes, in effect by putting scientists in the place of God people do make it their idol of worship, their god, their guiding light, which is darkness itself. It will be no savior.


Nope... there is no worship in science


You did not ask one single question of mine, but I answered all of yours.

That is because you have no answers, just as your gods do not.


What gods?


Your questions were nonsensical...


Has science made earth a better place? A safer place? Has it ended sickness? Got rid of natural disasters? Disease? War? Will it end death?


Yes...

yes...

Yes to an extent...

You can't change disasters... S**t happens... but apparently they're working on the weather *shrug*

Lots of diseases... gone... War, not so much... we just improved on killing


And you will not be saved by your false knowledge in the end either. Or with trickery, no matter who wise you imagine yourself to me. You too will be calling for the mountains to fall down over you to cover you from the one whom you will have to give an account to on that day if you don't open your eyes.


You gonna stick to the topic or start a sermon here?




posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:37 AM
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I've had this argument with many others.
Even scientists have to get paid.
If you're only sponsors are those with vested interests you will be under heavy pressure to obtain the desired results they want to see.
Science has become for sale like everything else in this world.
Scientists are not above temptation or tampering with method to stay employed.
Many reject the idea simply on their blind faith in science and the scientific method, as though it were inviolable and no scientist would ever skew results simply for the sake of money. Science has become the de facto religion of secularists and agnostics and their blind faith is allowing even more corruption to happen especially in regards to "climate change".



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:46 AM
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a reply to: noonebutme

What good then is science unless you have faith in the method and results obtained.
Faith is not the sole domain of religion.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 04:47 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

That depends on the flavor of the religion




posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:17 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Makes me wonder why people go on about the science tells us...... yet it is ever evolving

Correct. It can self adjust for new observations.

As we grow and evolve as a species, so does our understanding of the universe. Science allows us to understand it.

Religion does not, can not and WILL not allow that.

But hey - when you have a nasty illness or disease, by all means, poo-poo science and run to your holy temple and prey to your god of choice for medical help.



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:22 AM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
I've had this argument with many others.
Even scientists have to get paid.
If you're only sponsors are those with vested interests you will be under heavy pressure to obtain the desired results they want to see.
Science has become for sale like everything else in this world.
Scientists are not above temptation or tampering with method to stay employed.
Many reject the idea simply on their blind faith in science and the scientific method, as though it were inviolable and no scientist would ever skew results simply for the sake of money. Science has become the de facto religion of secularists and agnostics and their blind faith is allowing even more corruption to happen especially in regards to "climate change".


Truth! you heard it here first!!



posted on Jun, 17 2016 @ 05:23 AM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: noonebutme

What good then is science unless you have faith in the method and results obtained.
Faith is not the sole domain of religion.

Only in the instance of lack of education/knowledge which prevents one from applied the methodology, which can be easily rectified if one wants to learn.

You can have, "faith" in science in the sense you trust what an expert says. But that is not a justification to say something *is* an absolute unless you yourself apply the repeatable methods to demonstrate proof.

Now, I admit I accept what a nuclear physicist says about radiation and plutonium, because I do not have that level knowledge or access to equipment to "prove" it to myself.

However, if i go to an institute of higher education, learn about it, I can then REPLICATE those methods of proof.

This is exactly what religion *cannot* do.

So the idea of "faith" in science is very different to the faith applied in religion. Religious faith is belief without evidence.



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