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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Kryties
You don't own a gun, do you? You've never trained with a firearm for self-defense or protection of your family, have you? You don't have any idea as to the many ways that one can securely store a firearm, yet have near immediate access to it in case of an intruder in your home, do you?
Instead of asking me for specifics as to why this comedian is ignorant to guns (aside from that he's from Australia, where he so eloquently states that guns are basically illegal)
I would ask you this: Have you done any research into training and gun ownership that leads you to understand that what this guy says it "fact?"
originally posted by: GemmyMcGemJew
a reply to: SlapMonkey
Australia have done quite well since the withdrawal of its guns. What's ignoramus about that? He sees it's benefits and has seen the good come of it ...
I could say you ignorant because you fail to acknowledge the success in Australia.
Fact: Crime has been rising since enacting a sweeping ban on private gun ownership. In the first two years after the ban, government statistics showed a dramatic increase in criminal activity. 34 In 2001-2002, homicides were up another 20%. 35
From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:
•Firearm-related murders were up 19%
•Armed robberies were up 69%
•Home invasions were up 21%
The sad part is that in the 15 years before the national gun confiscation:
•Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
•Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
Fact: Gun crimes have been rising throughout Australia since guns were banned. In Sydney alone, robbery rates with guns rose 160% in 2001, more than in the previous year.
Fact: A ten year Australian study has concluded that firearm confiscation had no effect on crime rates. A separate report also concluded that Australia’s 1996 gun control laws “found [no] evidence for an impact of the laws on the pre-existing decline in firearm homicides” and yet another report from Australia for a similar time period indicates the same lack of decline in firearm homicides.
Fact: Despite having much stricter gun control than New Zealand (including a near ban on handguns) firearm homicides in both countries track one another over 25 years, indicating that gun control is not a control variable.
originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Kryties
My google foo is weak..
Im going to bow out, i am getting way to heated over so many people (now including a congressman) wanting to strip people of rights that have not been arrested or convicted of a crime without due process...
anyways Peace out, Ive got my whiskey and some BB king playing; gonna go mellow out.
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Let us take a stroll dowFactual Lane, shall we?
For a time, it seemed that certain states might refuse to enact the ban. But I made clear that my government was willing to hold a nationwide referendum to alter the Australian Constitution and give the federal government constitutional power over guns. Such a referendum would have been expensive and divisive, but it would have passed. And all state governments knew this.
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Kryties
Firstly nowhere in the video does the speaker say anything about the AMA.
American Medical Association says gun violence is a public health crisis
The massacre in Orlando spurred the American Medical Association on Tuesday to formally call gun violence "a very public health crisis," and say the organization will "actively lobby" Congress to end a funding ban on federal health research into the problem.
"With approximately 30,000 men, women and children dying each year at the barrel of a gun in elementary schools, movie theaters, workplaces, houses of worship and on live television, the United States faces a public health crisis of gun violence," said the AMA's president, Dr. Steven Stack.
"Even as America faces a crisis unrivaled in any other developed country, the Congress prohibits the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] from conducting the very research that would help us understand the problems associated with gun violence and determine how to reduce the high rate of firearm-related deaths and injuries."
A congressional ban on CDC research of gun violence actually was lifted by an executive order from President Barack Obama in early 2013, after the massacre of 20 children and six adults in Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. But Congress has since blocked funding for such research.
Stack said that "an epidemiological analysis of gun violence is vital so physicians and other health providers, law enforcement and society at large may be able to prevent injury, death and other harms to society resulting from firearms."
The AMA noted it has "numerous, long-standing policies that support increasing the safety of firearms and their use, and reducing and preventing firearm violence."
The group said it "recognizes that uncontrolled ownership and use of firearms, especially handguns, is a serious threat to the public's health inasmuch as the weapons are one of the main causes of intentional and unintentional injuries and deaths." The AMA has also supported legislation calling for a waiting period before purchasing any form of firearm in the U.S. and requiring background checks for all handgun purchasers.
originally posted by: Kryties
I do, actually. All of the above.
Sorry to burst your little bubble.
You see, contrary to the loud voices of those who would have you believe we aren't allowed guns at all in Australia, we CAN own firearms after we apply for a license, pass a strict test, agree to be checked in on if the cops feel it necessary (which hardly EVER happens) and we cannot own ridiculously overpowered guns that were designed primarily for military use and have no legitimate civilian use. Those simple rules have prevented a mass tragedy from happening here for over 20 years.
You need to ignore the lies that all our guns were taken away because it is patently and demonstrably untrue. That lie was invented by certain people who try to bully and intimidate anyone who DARES question Americas gun laws into silence.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. See above please.
The US Constitution can, and has, been altered in the past when new information/circumstances come to light that invalidate it. Prohibition and Slavery are two excellent examples.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn
Destruction/threat of destruction, destruction, destruction/threat of destruction, destruction.
If you were in that club as he fired into the crowd, you'd be clamoring, pleading, begging for someone to shoot that bastard as loud as anyone. Easy to sit here behind our keyboards and focus on the 'tool' he used.
You would have shot him yourself in an instant…
originally posted by: zazzafrazz
Let them have them.
400,000: Americans who died fighting in World War II.
400,000: Americans who died by household Firearms since 2001