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Pastor regrets that more homosexuals didnt die in Orlando.

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posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: DeathSlayer


Judging an ENTIRE religious faith based on a few men and women statements is hypocritical at best.


Religious faiths have been tied to MANY outrageous remarks and scandals! Preachers and priests have been involved in molestations, prostitution, covering-up scandals, becoming millionaires on the backs of their poor followers, living the high life, political influence and judging and condemning homosexuality. Some have even been involved in murder.

Religions have all been responsible for wars, conflicts, divisiveness, killings, maiming, and judging and condemning non-believers and followers.

What religion is the true religion?


According to David Barrett et al, editors of the "World Christian Encyclopedia: A comparative survey of churches and religions-AD 30 to 2200," there are 19 major world religions which are subdivided into a total of 270 large religious groups, and many smaller ones.


Take your pick.
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posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: gladtobehere

Sounds like a radical Christian terrorist to me.

The irony.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Just like radical Muslim terrorists he needs to be put down. There is no room in our society for that kind of hate and vitriol.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: gladtobehere

He is a sick fnck. Individuals, according to the new testament, are responsible for their own lives and sins. No one but God judges them at the last and final judgement. It further states that only God will judge each individual soul and that man cannot judge -lest he be judged.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: Doom and Gloom
a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Just like radical Muslim terrorists he needs to be put down. There is no room in our society for that kind of hate and vitriol.


So we should kill people simply for believing and saying reprehensible things??



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 09:52 AM
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Killing him is a little "over the top" in a society which prides itself on a first amendment.

Putting him on a no-fly list, and removing his (specific) church's tax-exemption status should do it, however.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: gladtobehere

I had always thought to be a Christian, a person should try to be "Christ like".
Isn't that the deffinitian?

I guess this is just one more example of what I have heard called "that fine christian attitude".



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 10:07 AM
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Good job finding one pastor, in a country with millions of them, that has this mindset.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: Liquesence

These teachings and blind following of a book written by men to control men, has been the root cause of so much death and destruction for thousands of years. I said put down, not in the sense of murder or killing but in the sense that his voice to preach to mindless followers needs to be squelched. He should be removed from the church and not allowed into a position to spread his poison.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: RudeCherub

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: gladtobehere

Wonder if he thinks jesus would celebrate the murder of 50 innocent people


That's the thing - this pastor is at odds with Jesus' teaching.

Whereas Mohammed says kill gay people.


There is is.

Never fails.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
Is sodomy between a man and woman ok?

God I hope so


(I used to teach sunday school)


That's a scary thought


jk



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi
Good job finding one pastor, in a country with millions of them, that has this mindset.


3 have already been mentioned. And there are more.

Perhaps you should read the whole thread.

Pastor Curtis Knapp: “They should be put to death — that’s what happened in Israel,” Knapp proclaims. “That’s why homosexuality wouldn’t have grown in Israel.” www.huffingtonpost.com...

And here's a CA lawyer: Calif. Lawyer Proposes Ballot Initiative To Kill Gays And Lesbians: www.npr.org...
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posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 11:36 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

pat robertson has been spouting off about this. and he is in the south. not calling for killing, no. but he was quoted, "gays and muslims are killing themselves. the best thing for chrisitians to do is to stand by and let them."



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 07:52 PM
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Have Christians forgotten the story of the good Samaritan?




Luke 10:25-37New International Version (NIV)

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”


Samaritans and Jews hated one another, yet it was an enemy who helped the Jew out while his fellow Jews left him there to die. It is acts of compassion and humanity that define people as Christian. This teaching says it right here.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 08:45 PM
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a reply to: Annee

LOL well it is. But I was 16 and very naive to the ways of the world



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
a reply to: Annee

LOL well it is. But I was 16 and very naive to the ways of the world


At that age I considered being a Christian minister. You know, I wanted to do something good.

But, I wasn't gonna do it until I had proof of Jesus. Wasn't gonna teach a lie.

That led to me becoming atheist.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: SomeDumbBroad
a reply to: Annee

LOL well it is. But I was 16 and very naive to the ways of the world


At that age I considered being a Christian minister. You know, I wanted to do something good.

But, I wasn't gonna do it until I had proof of Jesus. Wasn't gonna teach a lie.

That led to me becoming atheist.


Kind of like Matt Dillahunty 's story too.



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: Doom and Gloom

You should have made yourself clearer. "Put down" to me means killing, but maybe that's a regional or cultural thing.


These teachings and blind following of a book written by men to control men, has been the root cause of so much death and destruction for thousands of years.


Agreed.


I said put down, not in the sense of murder or killing but in the sense that his voice to preach to mindless followers needs to be squelched. He should be removed from the church and not allowed into a position to spread his poison.


Considering your first comment, shouldn't that also include the majority, if not all, of preachers/pastors/etc of most, if not all, religions, no matter how small or large?



posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 08:59 PM
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Wait a second, by according to his customs, he prays at his bed, while on his knee, hold his two hands up, waiting for the Holy spirit to come inside him, and fill him with his glory and goodness...and Goodness, of his spirit...Yes....

I thought Jesus hated homosexuals, especially when they try touching his wooden shaft, the Cross with those two hands...Don't get me started with people who have a foot fetish.


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posted on Jun, 15 2016 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: gladtobehere

To add to your thread.... "American Christianity" (although the author of the following book says that any fundamentalist religion can be criminogenic---causing crime)

I heard about this book today, author interview on my radio. Link is to a crime magazine.


Elicka Peterson Sparks, an associate professor of criminology at Appalachian State University, has written a seminal work on a controversial subject that is all but considered taboo to address.



The Devil You Know: The Surprising Link between Conservative Christianity and Crime by Elicka Peterson Sparks, Prometheus Books, 320 pages, including 136 pages of notes, bibliography, and an index.

The United States has more fundamentalist Christians than any other comparable nation and yet is one of the most violent countries in the world with a very high rate of lethal violence. The author thinks this is no coincidence. She argues that high rates of violent crime in the United States can be correlated with Christian conservative attitudes, especially in regard to social mores and politics.

"Modern conservatives Christians seem to focus on the negative almost exclusively, defining themselves far more through whom they oppose than through what they stand for as a group. They are against abortion, contraceptives, comprehensive sex education, the media, competing religions, anything that smacks of political correctness, socialist, gays and lesbians (along with their right to marry, adopt or have children, and enjoy legal protection from discrimination), academics, anyone who is anti-war, immigrants, feminists, communists, human and animal rights activists, Democrats, secular humanists, criminals, intellectuals, activist judges, foreigners, environmentalists, poor people, people with differing or no religious beliefs, people having sex out of wedlock, and liberals of any stripe," she writes.

Their belief that America was founded as a Christian nation drives them to try to install their fundamental brand of Christianity as the dominant factor in the country's political and social life. Fundamentalist have attained significant cultural influence in the nation's South, where the highest homicide rates are recorded.

It is the fundamentalists' sense of righteousness, their dogmatic mindsets that brook no dissent, and their support for harsh penalties that has made their worldview the ideal seedbed for violence. Not only does this mindset make violent reactions in interpersonal conflicts more likely, but it exacerbates the problems of the criminal justice system by advocating policies that create such high incarceration rates that the United States is by far the world's largest jailer. The rigid belief system of religious fundamentalists also leads to the victimization of women, children, and LGBT people.

source


Was the "American Christianity" brand always this way? No.

Back then, people associated Christianity with kindness and said things like, “That’s not very Christian of him,” when a person acted stingy or mean; and nobody except Evangelical Christians knew the difference between Evangelicalism and more open, inquiring forms of Christianity.

Excellent read on how we got stuck with this type of religion

And this source offers some advice, writing at the end of the article (which is another good read.... especially for the fundamentalists, which are legion)


The cure for fundamentalism is just that: reading other people's Bibles, being prepared to learn from science, psychology, philosophy and even from other faiths as well as from our own Scriptures. Unless we do, we'll find ourselves at best ignoring the voice of God speaking "beyond the sacred page", and at worst committing serious sin.

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