a reply to: Shamrock6
You guys are sort of between a rock and a hard place.
If the first responder is a beat cop and has to engage, I don't mean to be derogatory but I have seen a lot of traffic/beat cops that have less than
stellar pistol quals and a lot of "home at the end of my shift" going in, not to mention that I'm not sure all of them have armor or wear it if they
I'm not saying that's the case across the board. If you're a recent Marine you no doubt DO have mad sidearm skills and are more likely to maintain
them. But I had some surprising moments doing remedial pistol teaching with a sort of "all I want to do is make my quals" attitude among the students
that wasn't just one or two, and some of those guys were frankly sort of dangerous on the range.
I'm not real sure "force the first guy on the scene into the scrum" is a great policy. I'm sure it looks better but I'm not sure the outcomes are
Can you wait for the swat team to come from the other side of the county, maybe not. If the shooter is a 'take hostages' sort, sure. If he's a shoot
em all and let Allah sort 'em out sort then no.
Not only that, most of you guys are armed with sidearms that are going through every piece of sheetrock and maybe multiple bystanders. I'm not sure if
to carry frag ammo. But I suspect you don't even if you can.
Maybe a possible partial solution would be to train a LOT of the force for accurate fire in a scrum and to carry frag mags. Not all of them would be
willing to be semi-SWAT but you can train Israeli Method and improve nearly anyone who's got some gumption. So maybe you don't wait for SWAT but only
qualed shooters could enter, but maybe 1/4 of the force is able to pass. For some more pay, to make up for putting several thousand accurate rounds
downfield a month. There are better inside active shooting ranges, training methods too, than what you're probably used to. It's money and it's an
asspain, but it might be worth having a group of guys you could get onscene in 15 minutes or so in an Orlando sized city by distributing them around
as 'hypercops', if you would.
No place is going to be able to deploy a Delta style HRT. Maybe NYPD and LA, but even then, I don't know. Those guys, once the team quals on the
course, use each other as test dummies. The 'house' is set up with a new floor plan every so often. And everyone gets to sit in the unfamiliar test
setup as the 'hostage', while their buddies do dynamic entries and shoot the perp dummies, which are often on the couch with the live guy. And while
the entry is going on, the black hats can shoot back at you - some of the dummies have paintball guns with remote controls - and the dummies can pop
smoke or teargas. There are also traps.
That's pretty hardcore. I'm not sure how many cops would be willing to sit there while their SWAT teams kill the perps to their left and right with
live ammo, strobes and teargas going off and some sadistic bastard shooting you in the face with paintballs and blowing boat horns.
But maybe some subset of that would be good training - maybe without live ammo.
Heck, maybe it's a new industry for retiring bravos and charlies.
edit on 15-6-2016 by Bedlam because: (no reason given)