a reply to: username74
so here i go hoping that i dont accidentally delete this before i post because it will suck out my lifeforce if i have to do this twice, there will be
some copying and pasting , some paraphrasing and some stitching to get this down.
i am not lazy but i havent got the rest of time to do this in, please excuse bad grammar, syntax etc. so when i say we have to take a step back i wish
to convey that....
3 heterogeneous items coincided in order to form our European civilization, greek philosophy, roman imperial and legal civilization, and
christianity, consolidated by time and effort of later generations. so when i said we need to take a step back, what i mean is....
The culture of cognitive/spiritual heritage was internally confused, wherever the language of concepts, being overly attached to matter and law,
turned out to be too rigid to comprehend aspects of psychological and spiritual life has had negative repercussions upon our ability to comprehend
reality, especially that reality which concerns humanity and society. We tend to impose upon nature our subjective ideational schemes, which are
extrinsic and not completely coherent, developments in the hard sciences, which study facts by their very nature, as well as the perception of the
philosophical heritage of other cultures.
so the greeks could hardly develop in isolation, without being affected by older cultures in particular, however even with this consideration it seems
that greece was relatively isolated, culturally speaking. due to their seeming dark age (1200-800ish bc)and a belicose lot they were.
Rome was too vital and practical to reflect profoundly upon the greek thoughts it had appropriated. In this imperial civilization (just as
ours), administrative needs and judical developments imposed impractical priorities. For them, the role of philosophy was more educational, useful for
helping to develop the thinking process which would later be utilized for the discharge of administrative functions and the exercise of political
options. The greek reflective influence softened roman customs, which had a distinct effect on the development of their empire, the complex problems
of human nature are troublesome factors complicating the regulations of public affairs and administrative functions, it creates a tendency to dismiss
such matters and develop a concept of human personality simplified enough to serve the purposes of law.
Citizens could achieve their goals and develop their personal attitudes within the framework set by fate and legal principles, which characterized
an individual’s situation based on premises having little to do with actual psychological properties. The spiritual life of people lacking the
rights of citizenship was not an appropriate subject of deeper studies. Thus, cognitive psychology remained barren, a condition which always produces
'moral recession' at both the individualand public levels.
Christianity had stronger ties with the ancient cultures of the asiatic continent, including their philosophical and psychological reflections.
This was of course a dynamic factor making it more attractive.
This new relationship to another person, i.e. one’s neighbor, characterized by understanding, forgiveness, and love, opened the door to a
psychological cognition which, often supported by charismatic phenomena, bore fruit during the first three centuries.
Observing at the time you might have expected christianity to help develop the art of human understanding to a higher level than the older cultures
and religions, and to hope that such knowledge would protect future generations from the dangers of speculative thought divorced from that profound
psychological reality which can only be comprehended through sincere respect for another human being, however, history has not confirmed such an
Exhaustive studies on the historical reasons for suppressing the development of human cognition in our civilization would be an extremely useful
Two heterogeneous systems were thus linked together so permanently that later centuries forgot just how strange they actually were to each other.
However, time and compromise did not eliminate the internal inconsistencies, and Roman influence divested Christianity of some of its profound
primeval psychological knowledge. Christian tribes developing under different cultural conditions created forms so variegated that maintaining unity
turned out to be an historical impossibility.
A “Western civilization” thus arose hampered by a serious deficiency in an area which both can and does play a creative role, and which is
supposed to protect societies from various kinds of evil. This civilization developed formulations in the area of law, whether national, civil, or
finally canon, which were conceived for invented and simplified beings. These formulations gave short shrift to the total contents of the human
personality and the great psychological differences between individual members of the species Homo sapiens. For many centuries any understanding of
certain psychological anomalies found among some individuals was out of the question, even though these anomalies repeatedly caused disasters.
The everyday, ordinary, psychological, societal, and moral world view is a product of man’s developmental process within a society, under
the constant influence of innate traits. No person can develop without being influenced by other people and their personalities, or by the values
imbued by his civilization and his moral and religious traditions. That is why his natural world view of humans can be neither sufficiently universal
nor completely true.
It is thus significant that the main values of this world view indicate basic similarities in spite of great divergences in time, race, and
civilization. This world view quite obviously derives from the nature of our species and the natural experience of human societies which have achieved
a certain necessary level of civilization. Refinements based on literary values or philosophical and moral reflections do show differences, but,
generally speaking, they tend to bring together the natural conceptual languages of various civilizations and eras. People with a humanistic education
may therefore get the impression that they have achieved wisdom.
Now i havent finished, but i must sleep.
i will tie into the relevance of this vis a vis AE and why all teir statues have the same faces in the next post but i do feel like theguy at the
i am in 3 forums in one thread
food for thought any way
sorry i cant conclude now but sleep is sleep