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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: Soloprotocol
I dont believe the Founding fathers could have conceived the Modern Weaponry of today. The right to Bear single shot Musket is a bit different to the right to owning a ####ing armoury.
How many time do I have to debunk this idea?
They knew very well about maching guns and multi shoot rifles. The machine gun was invented in 1717 by Puckle and the Austrian Army issued a 20 shot repeating rifle in 1780. True they where crude by our standards, but you don't think the men of the caliber and mental ability of the founding Fathers could not see some of the coming future?
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Soloprotocol
I dont believe the Founding fathers could have conceived the Modern Weaponry of today. The right to Bear single shot Musket is a bit different to the right to owning the ####ing armoury.
girandoni rifle look it up.
To think that a group of inventors, scientists, merchants, and philosophers "couldn't conceive" of improving firearms technology is ridiculous and doesn't hold true with respect to what was available at the time.
This is a weapon with a 20 round magazine and a single action trigger semi auto type loading system(not sure what to call it..Except maybe a gravity feed) invented in 1779.
I'm just going to continue to tear apart your ignorance until you either capitulate and admit you have zero clue what you're talking about, or abandon the thread. All you have left now are snide remarks about my country and fellow countrymen, and supposition based on nothing but ignorance.
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Soloprotocol
What does it matter?
They are western nations with total bans on civilian ownership of firearms. Especially the kinds we're all talking about here.
I dont believe the Founding fathers could have conceived the Modern Weaponry of today. The right to Bear single shot Musket is a bit different to the right to owning a ####ing armory.
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
I dont believe the Founding fathers could have conceived the Modern Weaponry of today. The right to Bear single shot Musket is a bit different to the right to owning a ####ing armoury.
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Balans
Never said I was an expert on European gun laws so I have a lot of room for improvement there and welcome your insight.
What a lot of our foreign membership doesn't understand is that this isn't a matter of legislation. This is a matter of repealing the second amendment or not. You will NEVER get enough states to agree to repeal the 2nd Amendment. You cannot ban any gun prior to that.
Even if you did, the ship has long ago sailed on getting rid of guns. The US would turn into a turkey shoot the day you disarm the law abiding population.
What I do notice is that everytime gun-control comes up in America, gun-sales rise astonishingly. Do you guys never stop to think about that, or the fact that a very very big part of the American economy is built around the weapons industry. I would think just these two facts alone would make one ponder the whole authenticity of the anti-gun campaigns. It's basically free commercials...
originally posted by: 191stMIDET
a reply to: Hazardous1408
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well ARMED lamb contesting the vote" Benjamin Franklin. If you want to take away people's right to own weapons to defend themselves from tyranny than you are part of the problem. Just sayin.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Soloprotocol
I dont believe the Founding fathers could have conceived the Modern Weaponry of today. The right to Bear single shot Musket is a bit different to the right to owning a ####ing armory.
Yes it did. The people are to be armed with the same weaponry as the military. Standing armies are the biggest threat to liberty of the people.
When misused by a Authoritarian government to oppress the people, the people need an equivalent ability to resist. Thats why there was a cannon in every town square for instance, to fight against the government if it ever came to take the peoples arms again. Also why the distinction was made early on between civilian police and military authority.
Both distinctions are long gone…
Image search, "Cannon in the Town Square"
originally posted by: spiritualzombie
The "well-regulated" part is the place to focus.
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Soloprotocol
I dont believe the Founding fathers could have conceived the Modern Weaponry of today. The right to Bear single shot Musket is a bit different to the right to owning a ####ing armory.
Yes it did. The people are to be armed with the same weaponry as the military. Standing armies are the biggest threat to liberty of the people.
When misused by a Authoritarian government to oppress the people, the people need an equivalent ability to resist. Thats why there was a cannon in every town square for instance, to fight against the government if it ever came to take the peoples arms again. Also why the distinction was made early on between civilian police and military authority.
Both distinctions are long gone…
Image search, "Cannon in the Town Square"
so, how many drone guided rockets are you going to buy,?….how many tanks shells will you buy?, how many 20mm cannons do you have on hand?….do you think they will stand in front of you and engage in a gunfight with small arms?.....you won't even hear it until it's too late, because if one of them go down, your whole area will be one big bomb blast.....
originally posted by: dismanrc
originally posted by: Orionx2
a reply to: network dude
True on the looks.
Well somewhat accurate on the caliber. The mini 14 is .223 however you can get ar15 from .17 all the way to 50cal.
You can use the same lower on the ar15 and swap out the upper with a few pins. That is one of the main reasons ar15s are so popular. You can put on your .22 cal barrel for plinking, your .223 for longer range, or your .308 and a scope for hunting. They are a very diverse gun.
I find it odd that a family of 8 got killed by a drunk driver and it doesn't make the big news but 3+ random people get shot and it is a nation wide mass murder catastrophe worthy of the politicians to call for more gun control. It used to be Buzz words, now days it is Buzz events.
Just to clarify you can't use the same lower for .223 and .308. The 308 takes the AR10 lower.
Way more people are killed by drunk driving, falls, bath tub accident and the biggest is... medical accidents. But let blame the scary black gun.