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As an atheist, what right does a person have to say who is right or wrong
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Raggedyman
As an atheist, what right does a person have to say who is right or wrong
Your post wasn't too bad, until this part. ^
First of all, I'm not an atheist....
and second of all, you make this same mistake over and over again. Atheists have morals, and one does not need to believe in "God" to do so. The Golden Rule applies to everyone.....
Offering solutions: stop war. Stop sending young men and women to fight each other. Stop retaliating against retaliation that is born out of retaliating for retaliations.
Just plain stop. Behavior is the one thing that we humans can control in ourselves. It would be great if one day you would lose the 'tude and stop thinking (and saying) that atheists and agnostics and non-Christians are "lesser than" you. If the whole world suddenly turned Christian it wouldn't solve everything.
So - what's your solution to stopping the never-ending war and suffering? We have the resources to stop war and suffering. Why do we allow it to continue?
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
It makes sense that a true Christian would never go to war or support anything remotely related to war.
But it also makes sense that deeply thinking and feeling people would also not, no matter what their religion or lack thereof.
Aside from all this, it is my opinion that the world needs more of these types of people, who consciously object, who stand by their convictions and core beliefs, and have a faith strong enough to withstand the burning flames that might come from doing so.
I don't understand how so many people get swept up in the dogma that war is ever good or that anyone can ever truly win one.
The only way we can solve anything is to get along forgive and move forward, your op doesn't suggest that at all, it's laced with animosity
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
It makes sense that a true Christian would never go to war or support anything remotely related to war.
But it also makes sense that deeply thinking and feeling people would also not, no matter what their religion or lack thereof.
Aside from all this, it is my opinion that the world needs more of these types of people, who consciously object, who stand by their convictions and core beliefs, and have a faith strong enough to withstand the burning flames that might come from doing so.
I don't understand how so many people get swept up in the dogma that war is ever good or that anyone can ever truly win one.
Wow. You would be mistaken. Christians are allowed to go to war to defend their fellow man and the innocent. "turn the other cheek " was not for LIFE THREATENING SITUATIONS. it was for insults and slights. Its a sin to not defend th e innocent and the helpless from harm.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Raggedyman
The only way we can solve anything is to get along forgive and move forward, your op doesn't suggest that at all, it's laced with animosity
What the hell, man. That's what I said - get along, forgive, move forward. Stop fighting. That is precisely what I suggested!. You're just looking to further insult me now - you called me 'nasty' and a 'fundamental bully.'
Remember that? Yeah...that was awesome.
Hypocrisy much?
Christians who condone war, who want to carpet-bomb other countries and build walls to keep other (even more devout) Christians (who happen to be from Mexico or further points southern) away from their backyards.....are not, according to my understanding of Jesus's message, following what he said.
Anything else?
So what, should I condemn people who want to help others, defend others, kill others.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Raggedyman
Let's see...what else did you ask -
Blood Diamonds. Yep, I don't have a diamond. My husband and I refuse to buy diamonds because of the child slave labor.
And you didn't give me a link to watch your Machine Gun preacher, so I didn't waste my time looking for it.
Soooooo........
my solutions (which you asked earlier and I described) are to stop war. Stop abuse of children, both mental and physical. Stop killing each other. Stop buying sh!t that causes death - like crap clothes from Bangladesh where factories collapse in the name of money....and diamonds that little kids have to dig out....and soccer balls that little kids sew together....
Stop turning youths with promise and futures into killing machines who come back from basic training and/or combat broken, traumatized, and estranged from civilian society. Stop building bigger tanks and better bombs.
START FEEDING PEOPLE, and tending to their needs, and educating them. Listen to their concerns, and find a NON-VIOLENT WAY to meet their needs.
All you had to offer was "yeah it sucks and it's bad but what else can we do?" which is a cop-out. So you do what - pray? Yeah, that works NOT. Tell other people they will go to hell? Yeah, that's true NOT. Think gunning people down is cool? It's not. None of that is mature or sane.
Make what you will of it.
I'm telling it how I see it. Insanity.