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After Orlando, time to recognize that anti-gay bigotry is not religious freedom: Neil Macdonald

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posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: saintdopeium
a reply to: tothetenthpower

I'm still not sure where all of the Christian talk is coming from. This was a self identifying Muslim, correct? I'm not religious in the slightest but I am curious as to why Christians seems to catch so much hell when Muslims flip out and murder people.


Because they inject themselves into the conversation claiming Christian Persecution whether or not anyone is even talking about them.

You're correct, this has nothing to do with them. But then you get people like this guy in the video who's a baptist preacher who just has to make a video about Orlando saying that because of Orlando, next they'll be hunting Christians.

Meanwhile he says "The good thing about Orlando is there are 50 less Pedophiles now. The bad thing about Orlando is that everyone left alive in that club is a pedophile who's been left alive."

Then he takes it a step further claiming "I would never condone killing others or vigilantism or for people to kill gays even though it says so in the bible. But I think the Government should execute them instead."

That's why Christians are now being talked about because apparently even though it doesn't even involve them they have to steal some attention out of it claiming to be victims of some alleged future event that has yet to happen.
edit on 13-6-2016 by mOjOm because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Wait. Who is he and what is this video?



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 03:53 PM
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sorry we need to protect ourselves from our moronic government and the coming invasion of sharia law



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: saintdopeium
a reply to: tothetenthpower

I'm still not sure where all of the Christian talk is coming from. This was a self identifying Muslim, correct? I'm not religious in the slightest but I am curious as to why Christians seems to catch so much hell when Muslims flip out and murder people.


Because they inject themselves into the conversation claiming Christian Persecution whether or not anyone is even talking about them.



Yup. I do believe it is because the article said "organized religion as a whole". I'm not sure it's good bait for the use of the Cry Card by the Christians. Nothing new, though.

HEADLINE: Protected grounds for sexual orientation in the workplace

REACTION: "Us Christians are being persecuted."

HEADLINE: Gay marriage now legal

REACTION: "Us Christians are being persecuted."

HEADLINE: Muslim man shoots up gay club

REACTION: "Us Christians are being persecuted."

Pick a topic on homosexuality and look forward to a horde of Christian martyrs
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posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: saintdopeium

Well it was posted on the very first page of this thread but apparently it has been removed from Youtube for a violation of hate speech.

I can try and find it for you again though. It's quite the speech believe me.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

"The issue at large is since America is a 'christian country', and this man was American, he was likely more influenced by the mainstream religions of America in his line of thinking. And since they heavily discriminate and act intolerant of LGBT, well, you see where I'm going."


That pretty much negates your entire argument doesn't it?



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: saintdopeium

Here ya go. While it lasts anyway.




posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

NO. Why would anyone think that this shooter was influenced by Christianity when he pledged to ISIS before doing this and comes from Afgan. parents.

The first thought would obviously be that he's Muslim not Christian.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

That's not to say you're wrong in what you just said. I guess that could be someone's idea on it. But it certainly would seem like a stretch to think this guy doing the shooting was influenced by Christians.

I never even thought about Christians at all when reading about this Orlando issue. That is not until I saw this video in this thread.

Then I just couldn't believe what I was hearing. This guy is a complete psychopath. Yet he's a baptist preacher with a church and followers too. Mind blowing!!

But I don't think the majority of Christians think like this guy does either. In fact I imagine most Christians probably think this guy is a total POS who should stop claiming to represent Christ.

But then it doesn't take a majority to create a problem which is why it's a concern.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:17 PM
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Do you actually believe what happened in Orlando is "real". I have a suspicion that it is not. I don't want to seem as if I have an inflated ego but, "the power elite" responded to something someone was watching.

Like most things in the news nowadays, its fake.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

I see too many triangles in your avatar.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: deloprator20000

Why would the so called "power elite" fake something like this when it would be far more simple for them to just do it for real and not have to worry about all the trouble of having to pull off a giant hoax like this.

Keeping people from exposing it as a lie or accidentally messing something up that would expose it would be extremely difficult and just doing it for real and killing people would be much simpler to do.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:21 PM
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originally posted by: deloprator20000
a reply to: mOjOm

I see too many triangles in your avatar.


Too many??? Or Just Enough???



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: Pyrrho


Bigotry is freedom of speech


Yes, but you can't discriminate because of it, and certainly not while claiming religious freedom.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: saintdopeium

Here ya go. While it lasts anyway.



And here's that guy from Orlando who deserves zero scrutiny...




posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Bone75

That's not to say you're wrong in what you just said. I guess that could be someone's idea on it. But it certainly would seem like a stretch to think this guy doing the shooting was influenced by Christians.


Actually that was a quote by the OP on the very first page, and Gemwolf was the first to mention Christians... also on the first page.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: DeadFoot

Why does he deserve zero scrutiny?? I'd say he deserves serious scrutiny.

Don't confuse my attention to mean I'm soft somewhere else. I'm against all Religious Fanatics, Political Fanatics, etc. that call for the death of people.

IMO, you should look into anyone promoting that kind of message.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

Well, I disagree with that theory. I think it's obvious this shooter was influenced by Islamic teachings against Gays. Or perhaps just Political Propaganda against them or whatever.

Now, that doesn't mean you can't find that same message being pushed here by Christians too, which is why you might be correct. He just doesn't look much like a Christian to me but pledging to ISIS and having Afgan. Parents and so forth lead me in a different direction.

But then again, it may not have to do with Religion at all. Religious Fanatics don't act out usually based on just radical religious views alone. It's when those views are combined with Political views and Activism is when you get your Terrorists. Because it's that added Political Activism which makes them think they can create Real World Change supported with the Religious Belief which adds the will and courage to do some crazy sh*t because it's being done for a higher purpose in their mind.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Pyrrho


Bigotry is freedom of speech


Yes, but you can't discriminate because of it, and certainly not while claiming religious freedom.


Why shouldn't they?

We see what happens when businesses discriminate. They get their image completely shattered across the entire country. This doesn't require government force and I'm not sure why so many people on here want the government to force ideals when we can let it be done the correct way via social cooperation.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: DeadFoot

Why does he deserve zero scrutiny?? I'd say he deserves serious scrutiny.

Don't confuse my attention to mean I'm soft somewhere else. I'm against all Religious Fanatics, Political Fanatics, etc. that call for the death of people.

IMO, you should look into anyone promoting that kind of message.


It was sarcasm, friend.

I was thinking of how funny it is that, to some of these people, "religious freedom" means you can have a hand in manipulating kids into literally committing genocidal acts and hold zero accountability for doing so.




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