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posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 09:45 PM
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I recently asked the question can water be made from nothing? The answer to which came back from two scenarios that I thought was very interseting debate. The first was that Water is made of two hydrogen atoms attached to an oxygen atom. Although very simple in construction, it is however very dangerous in method. As to create water, you would need to smash these 3 atoms together and thus could cause an explosion. Which I felt was interesting, as it would however still create water.



Since hydrogen is extremely flammable and oxygen supports combustion, it wouldn't take much to create this force. Pretty much all we need is a spark -- not even a flame -- and boom! We've got water. The hydrogen and oxygen atoms' electrons' orbits have been conjoined.


Interesting the below incident occurred in our past.



But we also have an explosion and -- if our experiment was big enough, a deadly one. The ill-fated blimp, the Hindenburg, was filled with hydrogen to keep it afloat. As it approached New Jersey on May 6, 1937, to land after a trans-Atlantic voyage, static electricity (or an act of sabotage, according to some) caused the hydrogen to spark. When mixed with the ambient oxygen in the air, the hydrogen exploded, enveloping the Hindenburg in a ball of fire that completely destroyed the ship within half a minute.

There was, however, also a lot of water created by this explosion.


So it certainly seems that method can create water, just hopefully those in the know can make this safe enough to utilise, I have read talks of using internal combustion engine to created multiple controlled explosions that would create water.

ANOTHER!! Interesting method was in the simplest, safer form however that is working. However it is not creating water, more like finding water where it cannot be seen.

From a company called Aqua Sciences which entered a quest that was set by Darpa.



Darpa gave millions to research companies like LexCarb and Sciperio to create a contraption that could capture water in the Mesopotamian desert.


It was however Aqua Sciences that finally cracked the code and now can collect fresh water from the very air around us.



Link to Aqua Sciences

Others may have heard of other methods, be just interesting subject to discuss, hopefully.
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posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: BlackProject
From a company called Aqua Sciences which entered a quest that was set by Darpa.


That system needs at least 14% humidity.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 09:53 PM
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a reply to: hellobruce

Yeah was not up on the ins and outs of their system just thought it was interesting. They said on their website, it does not work everywhere but most places. Still very impressive considering the amount of water they can produce if you watch the video I added and the quality of water. Knowing how hard it is for some countries to get fresh water with no contaminants, this is a very revolutionary system. I think.

14% Humidity is not much however.
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posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 09:56 PM
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This is about as close to water from nothing as you can get.
Fontus



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 10:12 PM
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From nothing? Water can be made yeah.

Hydrogen comprises 0.00005% of the atmosphere, other than that source, water is a good source for hydrogen..but then you don't need to make water at that point...



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 11:33 PM
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its a mini dehumidifier...condensation is collected and is nearly distilled water clean...



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: samkent

AND ITS ALSO A SCAM



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 12:27 AM
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a reply to: BlackProject

hindenberg diid NOT " explode " - it burned along its length - just watch any movie of its destruction



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 01:04 AM
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There was nothing, a bigbang and then water, simple
If you believe that, everything came from nothing



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 01:46 AM
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a reply to: BlackProject

Burning Hydrogen has less energy release than burning gasoline. It can be controlled and is not necessarily explosive.

The Hindenburg didn't actually explode. The destruction was mainly the burning away of the outer membrane which was thin. It also took time for the air and hydrogen to mix too, neither can burn on their own.

They have been using hydrogen fuel cells on spacecraft for some time. The process is similar to Hydrogen and Oxygen burning but it is very controlled.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 03:08 AM
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a reply to: BlackProject

You don't need to create an "explosion" to create water from hydrogen and oxygen. Simply igniting hydrogen in the presence of oxygen will form water. You can do this at home quite simply by starting with a tank of hydrogen gas, letting a small amount out constantly into the air (oxygen), and igniting (burning) it with a lighter. You will create a hydrogen flame, and the result would be water, instead of smoke.

Systems that "create" water from air are not creating anything, they are collecting. Matter has three main states; gas, liquid, solid. Water in a gas state is called water vapor, and it can be transformed into a liquid state by condensing it. There is water vapor in the air naturally, and the amount of water vapor in the air is known as the "humidity". If the humidity is 0% then there is no water vapor in the air, which can not be condensed, so it can't be collected.

Actually creating water from "nothing" would involve creating hydrogen out of the combination 1 proton and 1 electron. Then creating oxygen by the combination of 8 electrons and 8 protons. Then combining the two by igniting them. Sounds simple but have fun figuring out how to combine electrons and protons.

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posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 03:32 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman
There was nothing, a bigbang and then water, simple
If you believe that, everything came from nothing


There was at least a generation of stars between the bang and water molecules. Because there wasn't any oxygen until the stars made it out of hydrogen.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:10 AM
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originally posted by: BlackProject
It was however Aqua Sciences that finally cracked the code and now can collect fresh water from the very air around us.

The 'very air around us' is hydrogen and oxygen, simple, it is not 'nothing'!
Nothing does not exist, from which to 'get stuff'!
Not anything comes from no'thing'!



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:16 AM
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originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Raggedyman
There was nothing, a bigbang and then water, simple
If you believe that, everything came from nothing


There was at least a generation of stars between the bang and water molecules. Because there wasn't any oxygen until the stars made it out of hydrogen.


Really, Clever stars wernt they, have they evolved, can they now do alchemy???
Can you show me evidence or just guessing



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 04:49 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman
There was nothing, a bigbang and then water, simple
If you believe that, everything came from nothing

No , everything came from a supermassive singularity . Containing all mass , matter, energy , time...
And there was no Big Bang . The moment is the start of the Great Expansion



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 05:22 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
And there was no Big Bang . The moment is the start of the Great Expansion


We all know how it really started,

[' According to Pastafarianism, FSM is a benevolent supernatural entity who created the world some 4000 years ago while very drunk, although the world is intentionally built to make humans think it's older than it really is. ']



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Raggedyman
There was nothing, a bigbang and then water, simple
If you believe that, everything came from nothing


There was at least a generation of stars between the bang and water molecules. Because there wasn't any oxygen until the stars made it out of hydrogen.


Really, Clever stars wernt they, have they evolved, can they now do alchemy???
Can you show me evidence or just guessing


Bedlam was talking about the process of stellar nucleosynthesis, Stars begin as a large accumulation of Hydrogen atoms. Gravitation draws them together and compresses them. As you will know from your school days science, if you compress a gas, it gets hot. If you get enough heat and enough pressure, like in the core of a star, the individual Hydrogen atoms fuse together, four Hydrogens turn into two Heliums and they release more heat in the process.

This process of atomic fusion goes on until the star uses up most of its fuel. The explosive outwards pressure runs out and gravity takes over, crushing the core of the star with more pressure, producing more heat until the next nuclear fusion stage ignites and the star begins burning Helium and producing Lithium. This ignition usually blows the outer shell of the star out, distributing helium and hydrogen out across space. We call that process a nova.

This whole burn out of fuel and then fusion of heavier elements (with novas at each new step) goes on through: Carbon, Neon, Oxygen, Silicon and so on... producing heavier and heavier elements.

Of course, when there is not enough fuel left to burn, the process stops and the star will eventually cool, so for smaller stars, the process doesn't get through all the elements, they just stop and die. More massive stars have more fuel, so they go for longer.

It is an alchemy of a sorts - the transmutation of one substance into another.

... and we're not really guessing as we can do some of the stages for ourselves and can see it happening in nature. That is what nuclear physics is all about.



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Raggedyman
There was nothing, a bigbang and then water, simple
If you believe that, everything came from nothing

No , everything came from a supermassive singularity . Containing all mass , matter, energy , time...
And there was no Big Bang . The moment is the start of the Great Expansion


Come on, now I have to deal with some more massive singularity stuff
I can't keep up

Water and stars and now great expansion

You all just make stuff up as you see fit



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Raggedyman
There was nothing, a bigbang and then water, simple
If you believe that, everything came from nothing


There was at least a generation of stars between the bang and water molecules. Because there wasn't any oxygen until the stars made it out of hydrogen.


Really, Clever stars wernt they, have they evolved, can they now do alchemy???
Can you show me evidence or just guessing


Bedlam was talking about the process of stellar nucleosynthesis, Stars begin as a large accumulation of Hydrogen atoms. Gravitation draws them together and compresses them. As you will know from your school days science, if you compress a gas, it gets hot. If you get enough heat and enough pressure, like in the core of a star, the individual Hydrogen atoms fuse together, four Hydrogens turn into two Heliums and they release more heat in the process.

This process of atomic fusion goes on until the star uses up most of its fuel. The explosive outwards pressure runs out and gravity takes over, crushing the core of the star with more pressure, producing more heat until the next nuclear fusion stage ignites and the star begins burning Helium and producing Lithium. This ignition usually blows the outer shell of the star out, distributing helium and hydrogen out across space. We call that process a nova.

This whole burn out of fuel and then fusion of heavier elements (with novas at each new step) goes on through: Carbon, Neon, Oxygen, Silicon and so on... producing heavier and heavier elements.

Of course, when there is not enough fuel left to burn, the process stops and the star will eventually cool, so for smaller stars, the process doesn't get through all the elements, they just stop and die. More massive stars have more fuel, so they go for longer.

It is an alchemy of a sorts - the transmutation of one substance into another.

... and we're not really guessing as we can do some of the stages for ourselves and can see it happening in nature. That is what nuclear physics is all about.


We see it happening in nature, what, water coming from nothing, really?
Alchemy, really, that's pretty weird stuff you believe in

So evidence? Should I just take you at your word, either is fine



posted on Jun, 13 2016 @ 08:09 AM
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air is not nothing




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