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Social Engineering: Proof That Media Exposure Can Warp Gender Identity In Adult Men

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posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:02 PM
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No need to go that far, I have seen people blasting the line of reality with videogames like GTA, guys killing and stealing cars, then getting caught and saying they were playing GTA in real life, guess were they went next?




posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:02 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

I think it actually said they aren't homosexual/'transexual', which of course the 'transgender' will never admit to there being a link between the 2.

Read my responses I explain the basis of the argument better.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I think if you go out any further on that limb you're on, you'll fall right out of the tree.

Stretching.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:05 PM
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a reply to: CagliostroTheGreat

Yeah like good f'ing think i grew up and realized just how brainwashed people were back then, i don't watch the telly, but i sure as sh't wouldn't watch the crap nowadays.

Cartoons didn't look like Ugly mofo's from hell they still 'appeared' normal. Now it's all too apparent.

You're one of those people who probably love watching the Kartrashians aren't ya? Say no more.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
Ok, now what else makes a woman a woman. Their interests, their mannerisms, they way they think, their outlook on life, etc. All those things and more. Now Imagine all those Female traits only they're all in someone who was born a male.


Good points!

Of course there's the fact that the BIG "outward" appearance they declare they must perform to "feel" good about themselves, the fact that what girls are supposed to wear is socially learned gender roles.


When Did Girls Start Wearing Pink?
Every generation brings a new definition of masculinity and femininity that manifests itself in children’s dress

The march toward gender-specific clothes was neither linear nor rapid. Pink and blue arrived, along with other pastels, as colors for babies in the mid-19th century, yet the two colors were not promoted as gender signifiers until just before World War I—and even then, it took time for popular culture to sort things out.

For example, a June 1918 article from the trade publication Earnshaw's Infants' Department said, “The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.” Other sources said blue was flattering for blonds, pink for brunettes; or blue was for blue-eyed babies, pink for brown-eyed babies, according to Paoletti.

In 1927, Time magazine printed a chart showing sex-appropriate colors for girls and boys according to leading U.S. stores. In Boston, Filene’s told parents to dress boys in pink. So did Best & Co. in New York City, Halle’s in Cleveland and Marshall Field in Chicago.


And then there's this:

“I love My Little Pony. I love what it does. I love the message it sends,” he says in A Brony Tale. “And I want to be a part of it and I want to be able to play in that universe. We’re supposed to chug beer, ride motorcycles, be degrading to women, and like explosions. That’s what’s ingrained in our brains from the minute you’re born and put in a crib. Well, I like what I like. I don’t need society to tell me what I like. And that’s all there is to it.”
www.thedailybeast.com...


So as we can see a big part of this, as assuredly can be trace-routed to the origins of surely most bonafide "transgender" cases... IS PERSONAL TASTE.

From there subjects go on to learn what they should want to wear etc via gender roles, and then they get bullied and need their own restroom.


Fine, where most 'true' transgenders sort all this stuff at an early age, these adult men are mostly suddenly getting around to it in later life.
edit on 12-6-2016 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:10 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: mOjOm

I think it actually said they aren't homosexual/'transexual', which of course the 'transgender' will never admit to there being a link between the 2.

Read my responses I explain the basis of the argument better.


Don't get too hung up on the terminology though. There are differences, sure and they are significant and all, but they're coming out with new ones all the time to where it gets ridiculous.

Some people want to insist that there are some huge variety of Gender Choices. But they're all just variations of a couple choices with different labels for the most part.

In a way I think they need a new root for the words because "Trans" just has too many for people to keep organized and know the difference. Because a Transgender and Transvestite aren't really anything at all the same, other than perhaps the shoes.


For most people I think just getting the basics understood will do fine.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:10 PM
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Grown men watching sh't like that, hah, now wonder the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

I can't imagine Bruce lee 38 sitting with his Son when he was 22 watching that crap cartoon going weeee it's so much Fun look at the Rainbows.

No, he'd be saying the same thing i am right now.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:13 PM
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Ah the good old days






posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:16 PM
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awareness10

No. I don't watch the Kardashians. Sad what even passes as an insult on this site anymore. We used to at least have decent ad hominem.

*sigh*

But, you know, whatever you gotta say to feel superior.

Cartoons now are a lot smarter and more tame than they used to be. A lot of them are indeed quite strange. Adventure Time and the like. But others, like Stephen Universe for instance, are actually quite astute and well written. This is on Cartoon Network.

As opposed to this:



The shows that parents really need to watch out for are the live action shows in Nick and Disney (particularly Disney) those shows are weird.

😸👍



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:16 PM
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My Little Pony isn't turning anyone transgender.

I'm of the opinion that "bronies" are typically gay men or autistic (no judge) and they have found a common interest (I think it's super weird, but IDGAF) and they either use it as a social thing, or a way to be gay without being gay, or both.

Harmless. Anyone that gets turned transgender by a TV show for little girls is BEGGING for an excuse.

I actually watched a few episodes of this because I couldn't understand the appeal. I left not understanding the appeal. It's a bunch of weird looking ponies doing nothing.

Also, 48 seconds into the OP video, WOW.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:18 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:19 PM
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awareness10

You know nothing of Bruce Lee's work then. He promoted loyalty and strong family values. He espoused a strong belief in self motivation and having confidence in one self. All morals promoted in MLP. Nice try though.

In short, Bruce Lee is the closest we've ever come to having a real life Goku.


edit on Cpm7Sunday2320164230Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:23:42 -05002016 by CagliostroTheGreat because: FNORD



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Sure, there are manufactured Female Traits that may or may not be natural or universal but come more from marketing.

Honestly I think it's more like a bell curve or something. Where you have the majority near the end points of being Female and Male and then there is a curve between those points where it's more mixed. Some people find themselves being bisexual some gay some are gay but have the occasional opposite sex partner. Some people have many partners some only one.

Some guys are totally straight but really really feminine. You probably know a guy who at first you'd think he was gay but he's not, he just happens to like shopping and decorating and cries during chick flicks.


There seems to be some flexibility basically is what I'm saying. Although I think it's more difficult to grasp it when you aren't part of that middle ground.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:26 PM
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A bunch of guys liking girly pony cartoons to me doesn't actually seem any worse than a bunch of guys who really like Beevis and Butthead.

I mean if you took the most radical fan from both groups and had to choose which one would probably end up hurting himself or someone else one day which one do you think you'd pick???



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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Fine, where most 'true' transgenders sort all this stuff at an early age, these adult men are mostly suddenly getting around to it in later life.
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

But who are you to decide who is truly transgendered, and who is not? Why does waiting later in life make it less valid?



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

....*Squints at OP*
Are you ok? You seem to be confusing correlation with causation again.
My Little Pony doesn't make guys trans girls any more than watching action movies makes me a trans guy... I'm comfortable with my genetic gender.
I don't even have anything more to say. Correlation not causation. Simple mistake. Also, a belief in false and arbitrary gender roles.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:42 PM
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Imagine a population of people like this... We for sure would not need guns anymore. If I wanted to break into one of their houses I would just need a belt, or the back of my hand to inflict mass damage. These are the kind of people the gov wants. Super controllable to the point that the police would carry airsoft guns and hardly ever need to use them.


iTruthSeeker



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:50 PM
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Well, I think most young people are gay these days.. and I don't mean actually gay.. they're just metrosexual - scratch that, they're not even metrosexual, they're something beyond that. No, I'm exaggerating greatly but it is certainly a trend.

Yeah, agreed.. this is social engineering. They've already gone after the nuclear family now they're going after our genders by increasingly relativising them.

What's the problem? Lack of order and social cohesion: extreme individualism, yet these people are just another iteration of conformist sheep, they're not challenging any important power structures because their marching orders comes from the very people that actually rule us. They'll talk about nonexistent microaggressions while these people pass TPP type laws, just another nail in the coffin, our cage. Meanwhile progressives are flirting with solipsism: identity trumps reality. Third wave feminists hate men and "red pill men" hate women. A movement like "men going their own way" would never happen in a healthy society. It's a recipe for disaster..

And we know this change is not organic, it's top down social engineering meant to manipulate us. At this rate we're heading for a cultural war, a possible breakdown of order and a major paradigm shift in Western civilisation. Who will triumph and what if anything will be left?

And this is the mundane analysis of events, add metaphysical or even extraterrestrial factors and all bets are off.

Still, ha! I agree though, it's kind of funny that the OP would equate bronies with trans people. By the way, this isn't the old show, this is a new one. They're not being nostalgic and they probably didn't even watch it when they were kids.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:55 PM
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Now that I've actually bothered reading the universal definition of transgender for the first time (I've been letting the pro-lot try to define it for me):
The pro-Transgender lot in ATS have set themselves up a in a huge Straw Man for me to knock down:

Here in this thread, it's been hammered down that a "transgender" person is ONLY 'someone that feels like that have the body of the other sex'.

But as I has surmised before ever entering these discussions:


Transgender people are people who experience a mismatch between their gender identity, or gender expression, and their assigned sex. Transgender people are sometimes called transsexual if they desire medical assistance to transition from one sex to another. Transgender is also an umbrella term: in addition to including people whose gender identity is the opposite of their assigned sex (trans men and trans women), it may include people who are not exclusively masculine or feminine (people who are genderqueer, e.g. bigender, pangender, genderfluid, or agender). Other definitions of transgender also include people who belong to a third gender, or conceptualize transgender people as a third gender. Infrequently, the term transgender is defined very broadly to include cross-dressers.

Being transgender is independent of sexual orientation: transgender people may identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, asexual, etc., or may consider conventional sexual orientation labels inadequate or inapplicable. The term transgender can also be distinguished from intersex, a term that describes people born with physical sex characteristics "that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies".
en.wikipedia.org...


There it is folks:
TRANSGENDERISM COVERS A BROAD SPECTRUM OF GENDER MISMATCHING/CONFUSION/ETC/ETC/ETC, EVEN INCLUDING A LACK THEREOF!

Good Game tho, you really had me doubting the merits of this thread there for a few.
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posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

I don't know? Who would you pick?

What was the supposedly obvious choice here.. I feel like it went over my head. I would probably go with the brony here, generally speaking they're probably a high risk group for suicide. Though they would probably not be violent to others.



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