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So, after mass shooting, Australia "banned" guns 20 years ago = ZERO mass killings since

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posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: reldra

Looks like you have talked yourself into an endless loop.

All because somebody mentioned Australian borders aren't like the U.S. borders.





posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: reldra

Looks like you have talked yourself into an endless loop.

All because somebody mentioned Australian borders aren't like the U.S. borders.



Oops



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:09 PM
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Im Australian & let me tell you that our gun laws haven't done much really. All they have done is disarm the law abiding citizens all while criminals & mad men can still obtain guns from black markets & can still go on a rampage if they wished to. Criminals & mad men dont follow laws, only law abiding citizens do. So gun laws are usless really. If America is serious about dealing with this madness, they need to look at banning mentally ill, radical islamists or other unstable persons from having guns. Thats my take.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: reldra

well i wasn't directing that to anyone in specific but i highly doubt that, america has had violence problems before hand guns and rifles were even a common thing, at the root america has always been poor, corrupt and violent for most of it's existence and only in the last 50 years have we been rich or powerful enough to have any stability in daily life.
america is like a child compared to most western nations while canada and australia have been under their influence for hundreds of years, i highly doubt our country could deal with such a thing very well not to mention how it will destabilize the backbone of our society, banning guns will possibly ruin the unsteady peace that has kept our country somewhat stable.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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Mass shootings just are not a big enough problem to register IMO. Put together on an annual basis, more people still die from sheer stupidity of slip, trips, and falls. Accidents kill ten time more people every year than all forms of homicide. We should focus on making the rest of society learn how to not die by accident.

As I see the figures, mass shootings barely reach 300 deaths a year. More people drown every year. More people literally are killed riding heir bikes and hit by automobiles every year than are killed in mass shootings.

The CDC has broke it all down for us in this 119 page pdf files that covers from 2013 on.

mass shootings are literally barely on the radar as a way to die in the USA. The only reason to try and make it a significant thing is because the Democrats are working with foreign monarchs to try and turn all of the USA into Chicago, where gangs and criminals will rule us all.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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There have been multiple mass killings in Australia since they passed strict gun control.
Do these now not cout as mass killings?
3 Arson attacks which have killed 36 people
Lin Family murder 5 killed
Hectorville siege 3 killed and 3 injured
Huntville family murder 5 killed
Logan shooting 3 killed
Cairns child killings 8 killed

Australia's gun control did very little when it came to gun homicides (total and rate per 100,000), the proportion of Homicides Committed with a Gun was at 17.8% in 95 it's now at 17% for the last 3 years (the numbers actually went up from 96-00 but they did fluctuate between 12%-15% from 01 to 09).
Rate of Homicide per 100,000 People has dropped a little bit but other factors could be the cause
2014: 1.04
2013: 1.02
2012: 1.29
2011: 1.12
2010: 1.20
2009: 1.28
2008: 1.19
2007: 1.04
2006: 1.25
2005: 0.98
2004: 0.82
2003: 1.41
2002: 1.49
2001: 1.55
2000: 1.78
1999: 1.81
1998: 1.68
1997: 1.73
1996: 1.97
1995: 1.90
1994: 1.92
1993: 2.04
1992: 1.90
1991: 2.04
1990: 1.95

The crazy thing is their suicide rate per 100,000 people:
2014: 12.71
2013: 11.54
2012: 11.72
2011: 10.99
2010: 11.52
2009: 10.98
2008: 11.14
2007: 10.73
2006: 10.34
2005: 10.38
2004: 10.49
2003: 11.20
2002: 11.88
2001: 12.72
2000: 12.34
1999: 13.17
1998: 14.34
1997: 14.69
1996: 13.07
1995: 13.10
1994: 12.65
1993: 11.78
1992: 13.11
1991: 13.65
1990: 12.66
1989: 12.47
1988: 13.29

Many of the Violent crime stats (from 95 or 96 - 2012) aren't great for gun control supporters. Hasn't it been proven longer wait times for owning a gun has had almost no impact on gun homicides? I don't see how buy backs would do anything really the buy back was for weapons the government just outlawed and people are turning them so they don't become criminals (it could maybe stop some future killer but I doubt many violent criminals would follow the law). Hasn't gun deaths and violent crime been going down since the 90's?
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posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: Jaellma
Congratulations,

After 4 long years we find ourselves with a budget surplus due to the dismal performance of the many gun buy back opportunities across our great nation. The only thing that preformed worse that the gun buy backs were the 27, the 37 and the 63 day conveenya-check waiting security checks. We found people just adjusted there gun buying time line.

We feel we must move to the next step to ensure the safe and effective removal of fire arms from the general public's incapable hands. Giving your enthusiasm for disarming the American citizen, we have appointed you to a pivotal role to rid our great country of all fire arms. This will of course guarantee no mass shootings and will greatly increase the safety and security of our neighborhoods and businesses. Your new role will be a tactical one, in fact you will be in charge of leading teams of safety officers into homes, sometimes entering without permission, to enforce what we call a guaranteed gun take back.

We know you will take your new role in stride and we fully expect this to be a role that will be full of challenges and rewards. Please have your personal effects in order cause we expect a high rate of turn over.

signed,
Your leader


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posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: Jaellma
The facts don't lie. After Australia suffered from the mass shooting where 35 people in Port Arthur were massacred, they severely restricted gun ownership to all in Australia. The result is there have been zero mass killings since.


The oft-cited statistic in Australia is a simple one: There have been no mass killings — defined by experts there as a gunman killing five or more people besides himself — since the nation significantly tightened its gun control laws almost 20 years ago.






And Paris has no guns laws too.

Look what happened there.

Maybe if someone in the club was actually able to carry, then they could have stopped him. smh
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posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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Here is my compromise.
I won't loosen gun laws, if you don't try to make them stricter.

The stricter the left pulls the looser I'll pull to keep our compromise on current laws.

Usually a bill that was a compromise is a bill where both parties found a way to screw average joe.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 09:12 PM
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Molon labe, we will not submit.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 09:19 PM
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originally posted by: Bobaganoosh
Screw that.

You are kidding right?

So, if we banned homosexuals, would there have been any victims in the recent gay bar massacre?


Just ban night clubs, restaurants, theatres, sporting events and have a limit to how many people can be in one place at any given time, required to check in your location regularly through a government sponsored app on any mobile device, government will even pay data charges and have a 10 pm curfew, bam mass shootings solved. LOL for safety.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 09:44 PM
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Maybe no mass shootings there anymore, but there was a five hundred percent increase in people getting their butts kicked by the kangaroos there. All the animals know that the people do not have guns .



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 10:11 PM
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Just a thought, wouldn't it be harder for the next crazy Joe who decides to kill someone if his access to Rambo-like weaponry were limited? Nobody needs a freaking assault rifle to ...erhmm..*hunt!* I mean what? These guys really hate DUCKS that much? Get a mental help..it's not the duck my friend, it's probably something in your head.
Australia seems to be doing good since they changed their laws and they do have a whole beep-load of people. Being a whole continent and all....why not try their way? At least, limit the access to assault rifles.
I expect more from conspiracy theorists...they should be the guys who REALLY think outside the box. Step your game up America!!



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 10:32 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
Maybe no mass shootings there anymore, but there was a five hundred percent increase in people getting their butts kicked by the kangaroos there. All the animals know that the people do not have guns .





That is about the nuts and bolts of it, ever been face to face with and angry kangaroo ?...they can be vicious bastards...


To address some of the comments about crime in this country the average Aussie does not walk around in fear of being assaulted, there are very few places in this country that are not safe to go to .... we do not need to all carry guns, i would much rather that than to be scared to leave my house without a weapon.....you can have your guns and all the rubbish that goes with it....



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 10:39 PM
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Treat everyone like a criminal?



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 10:39 PM
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a reply to: Verse

The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, but as it turns out, there are sporting purposes for them. AR-15s are a fairly popular choice among hog and coyote hunters in my area, and technically, .223 is legal for deer in my state as well (though too light for my taste). They're also a popular choice for range and competition, given the customization options and that ammunition is generally cheap.

As for Australia's laws, if they work for you guys, that's fine with me. They won't work here. There are far more firearms in circulation, arguably no legal means to confiscate them and certainly no practical means to do so, and the cultural attitudes of the populace with regards to gun rights is much different as well.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 10:41 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It's funny you say that but some of the stats point to a different picture. Australia ranks 38th in the world in believing crime is increasing the past 3 years (USA ranks 44th). When it comes to Fear of crime and Feel safe walking alone/at night Australia ranks 49th (USA ranks 60th and 18% more than the United States).



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 11:06 PM
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originally posted by: nancyliedersdeaddog
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It's funny you say that but some of the stats point to a different picture. Australia ranks 38th in the world in believing crime is increasing the past 3 years (USA ranks 44th). When it comes to Fear of crime and Feel safe walking alone/at night Australia ranks 49th (USA ranks 60th and 18% more than the United States).





Statistics aside i am speaking from my personal experience as well as those around me



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 11:13 PM
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a reply to: vor78

True , these damn rude Canadians and Mexicans always bringing their guns over the boarders. Ps..I'm not Australian.

Can you not agree though that if finding assault rifles was harder then maybe, just maybe..at least one of those type of shootings wouldn't happen? I do realize these guns are already for sale in the black market but not everybody is fit for that...it could probably save someone. Besides, when you think of RIGHTS...owning an assault rifle isn't really high on the list. I just don't see it, I'm sorry. Obviously there is no way of eliminating guns BUT! if in the future access to them would be made harder and there'd be less assault rifles in the market..the next joe blow couldn't easily get one. We've seen awfully lotta cases recently where americans bought rambo-like weaponry legally when they had no reason to..(mental problems etc.) It's this whole system that's gone bonkers..we can't eliminate this problem but I do believe there is a way to decrease it.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 11:16 PM
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a reply to: Verse

There are so many rules and regulations for obtaining a weapon that it's hardley fitting to add more. Its not even the black market... In the inner cities there are weapons that circulate among criminals with filed off serial numbers so they cannot be traced to anyone who owns it. And then what of the people who steal them from citizens who do obtain them legally already, what do we do in that scenario?



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