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originally posted by: vor78
a reply to: SudoNim
I'm not laughing anything off. I'm just not willing to blame a hundred million law abiding gun owners for crimes that they didn't commit any more than I would do so if we were talking about some other issue.
If you want to increase penalties for firearm-related crime, I fully support that. If you want to work on cleaning up criminal and gang infested neighborhoods, I can fully support that, too. And I'm sure there are other methods I'd support for reducing these problems. But again, I'm never going to support gun control that disparages or denies the rights of law-abiding citizens. Nope, sorry, not gonna happen.
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
mass shootings in America will not stop until gun laws are changed.
However on ATS a huge number of American members just have blinkers on when it comes to this issue, they are so in love with their big guns that they just don't see the problem that the rest of us do.
For a lot of people on ATS this shooting was not a story about a mass shooting but rather the story is how in the aftermath of this they wanted to take their guns.
originally posted by: AmericanRealist
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
there is an increase, although it is neither massive nor significant, until Obama came to power. Probably because he works with the people who orders these hits in an effort to achieve the UN's goal of global disarmament.
In the spirit of honesty and serious dialogue, I found some data on Mother JonesI did a quick copy-pasta of some of the data. I did not include injured only killed. Then I added them up by years a president actually took control (Jan 1 following election year)
clinton 112 (assault weapons ban)
bush 128 (ban expired)
obama 193 (false flags at least 3 times)
There really is no clear pattern, and the lives lost vary greatly from year to year.
Overall handguns did most the killing. I cannot go to each article they sourced right now, but at first glance it appears that high capacity semi-auto rifles were still categorized when found but now used.
Its no surprise that a horribly divisive president who steps on the majority to further the cause of super minorities (literally fractions of our population) would create an environment where people hate each other enough to kill in order to further a UN disarmament agenda, as well as Soro's anti capitalist agendas.
Fact that many or most of these took place in gun free zones also tells me, there should be NO MORE GUN FREE ZONES IN AMERICA.
Obama/Clinton/Feinstein/Soros probably still have some more false flags up their sleeves before year end no doubt.
originally posted by: Verse
Just a thought, wouldn't it be harder for the next crazy Joe who decides to kill someone if his access to Rambo-like weaponry were limited? Nobody needs a freaking assault rifle to ...erhmm..*hunt!* I mean what? These guys really hate DUCKS that much? Get a mental help..it's not the duck my friend, it's probably something in your head.
Australia seems to be doing good since they changed their laws and they do have a whole beep-load of people. Being a whole continent and all....why not try their way? At least, limit the access to assault rifles.
I expect more from conspiracy theorists...they should be the guys who REALLY think outside the box. Step your game up America!!
originally posted by: Jaellma
The facts don't lie. After Australia suffered from the mass shooting where 35 people in Port Arthur were massacred, they severely restricted gun ownership to all in Australia. The result is there have been zero mass killings since.
originally posted by: mkultra11
How about sone contex? The overwhelming majority of shooting deaths are by illegally owned guns and in America's inner cities, or black on black crimes. How many of those thousands were from legal owners actually protecting thmselves such as a home invasion or store robbery? Where are those illegal guns coming from? Why are inner cities so crime ridden?