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Orlando is worst attack on US since 9/11, but POTUS uses incident to pivot against guns

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posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Heard on the news today the perpetrator is gay so the question becomes what is a gay Muslim doing attacking a gay bar then potus declaring war on guns again.
Sounds like a "sleeper " to me, used for psyop against the American people .


Nudge by nudge. It's called "The Nudge Theory" and it is a real strategy espoused by Obama and others in his administration. Look it up. It sheds a lot of light on their philosophy of manipulating public opinion and behavior.

As Rahm Emmanuel says, "Don't let a good crisis go to waste", perhaps the left is now garnering the LGBT community to help them with their gun control conundrum. I think this time, it is backfiring on them, however. Instead of screaming about getting rid of guns, more people are screaming that we need more people to conceal carry to protect themselves against this sort of thing.



Yep if some of those people in the club had listened to Milo and were packing heat they might have been able to save themselves
media.breitbart.com...




posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 10:39 AM
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There are a majority of people who just want to live in peace and happiness and be tolerant toward one another. People who have no interest in picking up a gun; no interest in owning one; and basically stand against much of what guns are all about; killing.

The problem isnt Islam. It's all these backwards sh*tf*cks with their GD intolerance and backwards hateful minds that simply arent compatible with a diverse planet.



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: spiritualzombie


There are a majority of people who just want to live in peace and happiness and be tolerant toward one another. People who have no interest in picking up a gun; no interest in owning one; and basically stand against much of what guns are all about; killing.

Without making the guns central issue, you do believe in defending yourself or your loved ones?

Means of self defense is inclusive of any and all means.

I get the need to remain peaceful, regardless. Just some others are willing to take advantage of that to inflict harm.

Like this one, killer knew there would be little to no self defense there, wholly why he chose that place.



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

But those vulnerabilities will always be. The idea that every citizen should be fully armed and ready for a gun fight is not realistic and pretty disgusting image.

I'd rather no guns than guns on every person.



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Heard on the news today the perpetrator is gay so the question becomes what is a gay Muslim doing attacking a gay bar then potus declaring war on guns again.
Sounds like a "sleeper " to me, used for psyop against the American people .


Interesting as I suspected the say. Often the deepest hate originates from a place of self-loathing. I had a guy work for me once that was fiercely bigoted toward gays. I had to tell him more than once not to stop going off about "fags" more than once and not talk stupid in the office. When he left I had to clean off his computer and he forgot to empty his trash on the desktop...It was full of gay porn.

The Orlando shooter was a likely driven by self loathing...that's where the darkest hate and intolerance originates.



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: intrptr

But those vulnerabilities will always be. The idea that every citizen should be fully armed and ready for a gun fight is not realistic and pretty disgusting image.

I'd rather no guns than guns on every person.


I'd rather it not be a binary choice....No guns vs. everyone armed.

Right now states are forbidden by law from referencing the terrorist watch list when conducting background checks.

I own guns...and all legitimate gun owners would be better off if it was harder for the average lunatic to buy a gun.

Everyone should be asking how a man who was interviewed by the FBI 3 times for sympathizing with ISIS and had contact with known terrorists was able to buy a high powered assault rifle.

Start there...it's not binary choice between no guns and everyone has guns.



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: spiritualzombie


I'd rather no guns than guns on every person.

Both are extremes and impossible.

Ever hear Bill Hicks? Especially the part where he says the choice is between fear and love, "Its just a ride".



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Indigo5

I'm not up on what weapon he used




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posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 11:43 AM
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Obama finally said "radical Islam" just now.

He's railing on Trump, and gun control as well...

Live speech on NBC.

He seems Pissed!

Passionately defending Islam too.
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This is a pretty intense live speech! I hope you guys are watching...... I'm sure someone will make a thread.
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posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: EternalShadow

It could be interpreted in many ways, and when it was written in 1791 the most you had was a single shot musket which had to be manually loaded with powder and a ball.

This is the 21st century, not the 18th.


No it can't.

Because the second talked about TWO separate but equal things.

The FEDS had no right to deny,disparage, or INFRINGE the STATE's RIGHTS to have militias.

The peoples right to keep and bear arms.

There is no interpretation to be had there.

I'ts clearly spelled out for ALL to see.

The FEDERAL STATE was suppose to keep their hands off BOTH.
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posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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Ahh thanks for the update !
Special forces ehhh well I know someone who was special forces sone years ago tattoo and all..... So he bought it legally? Mb I ask my friend...



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: GoShredAK

Solid speech by Obama. This need by others to call it Radical Islam or Islamic Terrorist is so short sighted.



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 01:09 PM
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Really? You're kidding right....afghan dude born in the states ..... Left a trail on social media.....
Whatever does it take to understand... Bu myself I think a sleeper....prob enabled by our own gov mb even recruited by cia...
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posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: thenightisours
funny i dont remeber hearing about mass shooting in old west probably cause most times if some one started to act stupid.then 20 other people would put them down. it should be taught madetory in schools gun safety and how to properly shoot/



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5
what i want to know isn'tt how he bought weapons but how somebody under investigation multiple times is allowed to work for an international security firm that has lots of goverment contracts and handles secruity at lots of nuke power plants



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: Indigo5
what i want to know isn'tt how he bought weapons but how somebody under investigation multiple times is allowed to work for an international security firm that has lots of goverment contracts and handles secruity at lots of nuke power plants



Different levels of clearance and private security firms contracting with gov. circumvents many of the usual background checks. My quick assessment is that we have a Police Force wash-up...guy attended to college for law enforcement...but apparently could not land a job on the force...they have Psych screening...some local law enforcement agency somewhere has a Psych evaluation on him and a "pass"..and yes, you have to be pretty unstable to fail a police psych evaluation. Guys that wannabe cops but fail for various reasons end up in private security (often - not always).

If the FBI slams the guy without hard evidence and he loses his (private) employment ..they are on the hook for a private lawsuit. If he was working directly for gov. it is much less complicated.

I do think we need a few more levels of "lists"...like a list where someone doesn't qualify for the "Terrorist Watch List"..but does qualify for an in person visit by the FBI before being allowed to purchase guns. For example..if they have been found to have expressed sympathies for ISIL..As it stands the NRA/GOP will not even allow the terrorist watch list to be consulted in background checks.



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: thenightisours

Keep in mind I used to be a leftist in practice. However nowadays most leftist principals seem to only be used to further a corrupt sjw cultural marxist system. The right is bad too but not quite as bad as the left in my eyes. The gun control issue seems to be more of however a governmental leftist issue. Not a societal leftist issue like sjwism. That is to say sjwism infects all facets of life however as i have stated prior I feel sjwism is dying simply due to the group's overall actions. And i have heard from a few sources trump predicted the shooting 3 days before it happened when everyone was afraid to be controversial. So you know his numbers are gonna jump. Because his controvercial line of thinking has yet again proven true.

My support of trump slowly ticked upward from 'better then hilary clinton'[marginally] to 'Not the end of the world' to 'He might be kinda good, but i don't trust HIM' to 'Okay he might be good but how do we know he'll do anything?' to 'Alright alright, he is the only hope this country has' Because clearly picking people based on the same line of thinking we have used the last 20 years just ISNT working. I'm willing to take the gamble on him. And even if he doesn't change much it's still an avoided hilary clinton election. FOR GOD SAKE, we survived 8 years of bush and his laughable policies. Remember no child left behind and other similar bills?



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: GoShredAK

Solid speech by Obama. This need by others to call it Radical Islam or Islamic Terrorist is so short sighted.





www.abovetopsecret.com...


Most solid speech of his I've ever seen! I don't really agree, but it was still good Imo.

Made a thread about it...I'd appreciate your opinion over there if ya don't mind



posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: GoShredAK
Obama finally said "radical Islam" just now.

He's railing on Trump, and gun control as well...

Live speech on NBC.

He seems Pissed!

Passionately defending Islam too.

This is a pretty intense live speech! I hope you guys are watching...... I'm sure someone will make a thread.


Looks like Obama's joking posture towards Trump is over and he has been forced by Trump to recognise the problem of radical islamic terror. Gloves well and truly off.
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posted on Jun, 14 2016 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: abe froman
Again, what kind of poisonous idiot tells you to put down your arms while you're under attack?

Someone who wants you to lose.

Keep in mind that Obama's team is the most heavily armed in Presidential history.

So "Lots and lots of guns for me and none for you".


you're funny




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