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The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers

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posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Why do we need to work with Mexico again?




posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 08:43 PM
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Not to mention the new crime wave that appears to happen where ever the wonderful Muslim refugees are let in. Just one example: www.zerohedge.com...
Migrants Responsible For 69,000 Crimes In Germany In The First Quarter: Police Report

In the latest development that is certain to raise the heat under Merkel's cabinet and may lead to even higher support for Germany's anti-immigrant AfD party, Reuters reports that migrants in Germany committed or tried to commit some 69,000 crimes in the first quarter of 2016, according to a police report "that could raise unease, especially among anti-immigrant groups, about Chancellor Angela Merkel's liberal migrant policy."

The report from the BKA federal police showed that migrants from northern Africa, Georgia and Serbia were disproportionately represented among the suspects.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: introvert

Why do we need to work with Mexico again?



Because it is the smart thing to do.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 08:59 PM
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It's not Muslims it's people from that area of the world.

That's what happens when you take a million people from an uneducated third world country that believes in Sharia law and mix them in with a western culture in the first world.

They don't know how to act.
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posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Oh right, I'll take your word for it.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:11 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: introvert

Oh right, I'll take your word for it.


What does it take to get an intelligent response around here that actually engages in a constructive debate?

It's like I I have to deal with people that have the conversational capacity of teenagers on Facebook.




posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:13 PM
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Check yourself out first.

My OP vs your response.

Puhhhlease.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: introvert

Why do we need to work with Mexico again?



Because it is the smart thing to do.


I would just like to reiterate your genius response.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: 727Sky

It's not Muslims it's people from that area of the world.

That's what happens when you take a million people from an educated third world country that believes in Sharia law and mix them in with a western culture in the first world.

They don't know how to act.

If you want to believe that you may have a point...However when the education of a population is based on an all encompassing religious text that seems to be unchanged since it was first written what can anyone expect ?
Pakistani woman burns daughter alive for eloping newsletter.thaivisa.com...
ZAHEER BABAR, Associated Press
ASIF SHAHZAD, Associated Press


LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) — A woman in Pakistan burned her 17-year-old daughter alive on Wednesday to punish her for marrying against the family's wishes, the latest in a series of so-called "honor killings" that claim the lives of nearly 1,000 women every year in the conservative Muslim country.

Police say Zeenat Rafiq's mother, Parveen, tied her to a cot and drenched her with kerosene before lighting her on fire. Neighbors in the congested, working-class neighborhood in the eastern city of Lahore came running when they heard the screams, but family members kept them from entering the house, said Nighat Bibi, who lives nearby.


Not knowing how to act !..... A mother beats and torches her daughter because she fell in love with someone her mother or family did not choose.. Yep in this case and about 1000 other cases a year in just this one country, they don't know how to act to western standards or even human standards IMO... But hey bring the problem children in and let them breed and "wallah" you ain't seen nothing yet..

Where I live we have people killed every month by people of the Muslim faith who want their own laws and own state in a mostly Buddhist country so I might be a little jaded but I sincerely doubt I am wrong.

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posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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I meant to say uneducated.

But yes I think it is a big issue that's hard to understand. Is it religious, genetic, cultural I don't know.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: introvert

Check yourself out first.

My OP vs your response.

Puhhhlease.


That proves my point.

Thanks...I guess.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:26 PM
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Proves what point you've offered nothing.

I double dog dare you to respond to my entire OP with your sources and information as a counter.

Can you do it?

I've never seen you do it once.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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I double dog dare you to respond to my entire OP with your sources and information as a counter.


Sure.


Donald Trump and Ted Cruz say they’d deport all of the 11.3 million or so undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. They don’t say how they would pull off this forced human exodus. But new research shows that executing on this promise would require at least $400 billion in new federal spending and reduce U.S. GDP by about $1 trillion.



The most important cost, however, would be the blow to the economy from disrupting such a huge chunk of the American workforce. About eight million undocumented immigrants are employed in some way, and the report estimates that deporting them all in two years would shrink the U.S. labor force by 6.4%. That’s a lot of suddenly unfilled jobs. The report estimates that GDP would shrink by 5.7%, not far from the 6.3% decline from the 2008 recession. The new Administration would certainly be off to a rip-roaring start.


www.wsj.com...

Again, we need to be smart about this and put the emotions aside.
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posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:37 PM
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Hmmm well.

This is a double edge sword. If we reward criminal behavior what's the intensive for it to stop?

There's millions of American out of the workforce. If we end illegal immigration it will remove supply from a workforce increasing demand increasing wage's and corporations will have to actually offer a wage that American's are willing to work for.

As far as deportation. Let's do it incrementally. Not in a massive military style removal but state by state. One at a time. Fining companies and implementing E-verify. Illegals found to be stealing identities will be I don't know... jailed or fined whatever an American would have to pay or whatever punishment they would undergo for a similar crime and then deported.

Can't reward criminal behavior.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:44 PM
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I provided what you asked for. Weasel around it all you like, but it remains clear that the US and Mexico are tied at the hip when it comes to imports/exports, immigration and labor.

We need the Mexicans and they need us.

We should incorporate and work on these issues together.

Deportation will not happen, regardless of how it's implemented, unless we take a gestapo-style approach. I am not willing to do that, considering how vital they are to our economy and the value they bring to our communities.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:47 PM
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Of course I'm weaseling around it.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: introvert

Of course I'm weaseling around it.





posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 12:30 AM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: introvert

Hmmm well.

This is a double edge sword. If we reward criminal behavior what's the intensive for it to stop?

There's millions of American out of the workforce. If we end illegal immigration it will remove supply from a workforce increasing demand increasing wage's and corporations will have to actually offer a wage that American's are willing to work for.

As far as deportation. Let's do it incrementally. Not in a massive military style removal but state by state. One at a time. Fining companies and implementing E-verify. Illegals found to be stealing identities will be I don't know... jailed or fined whatever an American would have to pay or whatever punishment they would undergo for a similar crime and then deported.

Can't reward criminal behavior.


The best way to increase growth in a sector is to remove barriers to entry. In construction right now, one of the big barriers to entry is that illegals will work for $6/hour cash while the honest citizen has to work for at least $15. He's more than twice as expensive. If you want to end that, you remove the factors that cause illegals to charge $6. That's unfair competition because the legal citizen can never compete. Remove the stigmas for being illegal and make the playing field level and instead of one charging $6 and the other $15 they'll both charge $12 (higher supply and all), and both make a better living.

Illegal status is a BIG barrier to entry, and that allows those people to work for far less than competition dictates they should.

We can either spend billions/trillions hunting them all down and kicking them out. Or we can spend nothing, rewrite a couple laws, and let the market do the thing it's actually supposed to do.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 03:38 AM
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Those figures will only be the crimes that have been reported the real number could probably have another 1/3rd added to it if,like in the UK, many don't report crime - actually b because Cameron has cut our police force go guesses why - so you give up trying to report a crime. Helps the political figures though.

Too much more of this and people will simply think its better to take the law into their own hands and deal out some well earned punishment.



posted on Jun, 12 2016 @ 07:26 AM
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Something that will be on the news today .... Yesterday in an Orlando gay night club someone came in and killed somewhere between 20 and 40 people. Supposedly by a radical Muslim. He is dead after SWAT stormed the building.

Lets bring more of the little darlings into our country and promote Islamic beliefs... what could possibly go wrong ?




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