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Illegal, but Not Undocumented, Are Illegals Criminals?

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posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:33 PM
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I keep hearing how we don't need ID's and a stricter process governing our voting booths but I totally disagree. I need an ID to do everything why the hell would I not need an ID to vote, essentially one of the most important functions for an American.

Illegal, but Not Undocumented



Illegal immigrants are not “undocumented.” They have fraudulent documents such as counterfeit Social Security cards, forged drivers licenses, fake “green cards,” and phony birth certificates. Experts suggest that approximately 75 percent of working-age illegal aliens use fraudulent Social Security cards to obtain employment.

Most (98 percent) Social Security number (SSN) thieves use their own names with stolen numbers. The federal E-Verify program, now mandated in only 14 states, can detect this fraud. Universal, mandatory use of E-Verify would curb this and stop virtually 100 percent of child identity theft.

Illegal immigration and high levels of identity theft go hand-in-hand. States with the most illegal immigration also have high levels of job-related identity theft. In Arizona, 33 percent or all identity theft is job-related (as opposed to identity theft motivated simply by profit). In Texas it is 27 percent; in New Mexico, 23 percent; in Colorado, 22 percent; California, 20 percent; and in Nevada, 16 percent. Eight of the 10 states with the highest percentage of illegal aliens in their total population are among the top 10 states in identity theft (Arizona, California, Florida, Texas, Nevada, New York, Georgia, and Colorado).


Wow, tons of stats on this website, some of them are mind blowing. Check out this one...



Illegal aliens commit felonies in order to get jobs. Illegal aliens who use fraudulent documents, perjure themselves on I-9 forms, and commit identity theft in order to get jobs are committing serious offenses and are not “law abiding.”


Yet we want to keep rewarding criminal behavior by allowing them to work and collect from our social welfare programs. It's like we want to drive this country into the ground.



Tolerance of corruption erodes the rule of law. Corruption is a serious problem in most illegal aliens’ home countries. Allowing it to flourish here paves the way for additional criminal activity and increased corruption throughout society.


This is one of the my main points in dealing with illegal immigration. Rewarding criminal behavior begets more criminal behavior. The reason why our country has been an amazing place for so long is because of our respect for rule of law. In most of the illegal home countries they have low education and more corruption. Things we do not need more of.



For example, in Weld County, Colo., law enforcement officials uncovered tax fraud that involved 1,300 illegal immigrants using fraudulent SSNs to obtain more than $2.6 million in tax refunds.


Maybe if people would set aside their bleeding hearts and emotional knee jerk reactions and actually wake up to some of these facts we could actually solve the problem, and realize that Trump may have been right.



By excusing criminal behavior and turning lawbreakers into victims, advocates for illegal aliens encourage corruption and subvert the rule of law. In 2008, former Rep. Chris Cannon described the December 12, 2006, raids on the Swift meat packing plant that resulted in the arrest of 147 illegal aliens on identity theft charges as “inappropriate” and “politically motivated” and he expressed concern that the arrests had ruined Christmas for the illegal aliens and their families.


I guess our government only wants to enforce laws that suite it's agenda and not enforce laws that protect American citizen's.

Maybe it's time for change.
edit on 6/11/2016 by onequestion because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:38 PM
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At this point I have a hard time giving a # about this mess. If they wanna turn this place into big mexico, little china, or got damned Somalian pirates cove I do not give one rats swollen fark knuckle and I refuse to fight for this country when # does hit the fan.

The politicians cant take it all and blow it out their asses.

As for the immigrants I wish them the best, however the criminals among them better watch out down the line cause I really dislike gangsters and thugs.




posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: stabstab

Which is why we need to remove the criminal element within our government, such as the Clinton. They disgust me.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Hmmm... I wonder who will get your vote?


I live in AZ and have discovered most of the people who are here "illegally" avoid contact with the law and are mostly nice people looking for a better life.

The people committing crimes are going to continue doing so regardless of their citizen status.

Sure all people should cross the border and obtain citizenship as dictated by the country but most of the time it is impractical.

My question is why is it a crime to be "undocumented"?

Big brother can kiss my ass!



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: georgeglass

We are a nation of laws and if we are going to be a nice country for our kids to live in in the future we need to continue to abide by those laws.

I broke the law and paid for it for 7 years of my life why do they get to get away with whatever they want?



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:31 PM
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If you cross the border illegally you're breaking the law. If you're breaking the law you are a criminal.

Don't get exactly how difficult that is to understand for some people.

Lets say you're selling heroin on the streets, would you not call yourself a criminal if you're claiming you are trying to give yourself a better life?



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: TheLotLizard

If you read the article they go into how they have to continue breaking laws in order to work in most cases using identity theft.

How else are they going to collect welfare and food stamps without SS cards?



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: georgeglass

We are a nation of laws and if we are going to be a nice country for our kids to live in in the future we need to continue to abide by those laws.

I broke the law and paid for it for 7 years of my life why do they get to get away with whatever they want?


Okay they broke the law.

So what we send them back so they can suffer in their home country only to return?
We send the person to prison where we support them and introduce them to people involved in more extreme illegal activity?

I do not have the answer but the current efforts obviously do not work. I doubt building a massive wall is the answer. What are we China?

edit on 11-6-2016 by georgeglass because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: georgeglass

We enforce our laws equally and objectively like they were meant to be enforced.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: georgeglass

We enforce our laws equally and objectively like they were meant to be enforced.



You sound like a broken record.

Take care. (get help.)



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: georgeglass

I sound like I make sense.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: georgeglass

We can start removing a finger every time they are caught being here illegally, after the first attempt I would hope they would learn to not come back and work as a whole to make their own country a better place. If after a couple attempts they are unintelligent enough to come back they wouldn't have enough fingers to even pick strawberries anymore.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: TheLotLizard

They are not a sub species they just have to follow our rules.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Illegals are technically criminals but if you want actual reform in the country it means striking down a whole bunch of laws and getting rid of victimless crimes. Just being illegal is a victimless crime.

If you want to talk about voting, they can't vote and it's actually pretty hard to fraudulently vote even without an ID. In fact there are more reported cases of voting fraud having happened inside of state legislatures with representatives stealing each others votes than there have been among the general public in elections. John Oliver had a really good piece on this a few months back.

Also, I have some personal experience with this which is something most who complain about the problem can't claim. Back in 2008 I decided to test just how difficult it is to claim to be someone else and vote. The short version is that I pulled it off but it's something with a pretty high failure rate, if it were ever attempted on a mass scale it would be discovered in an instant when you have a spike in people who get their voting information wrong, or duplicates coming in to vote when the paper says they already did.

I have no problem with voting ID, in fact if it makes people happy I'm all for it. At the end of the day it's completely meaningless though. It provides the illusion of security in our elections, but it doesn't provide any actual security.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

I never claimed about being anyone being a sub species, I was joking about what could be the new "rule" in which they would have to follow.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: georgeglass

We enforce our laws equally and objectively like they were meant to be enforced.



Perhaps the problem is that we're enforcing them too strictly? Jail should be a last resort... you do not want to put groups of criminals together to network, it just leads to jail being criminal college.

What we need is a soft on crime approach, but such an approach is political suicide and you're espousing why. You were punished harshly so you want to see the same happen to others.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Entry into this country without the proper documentation or staying in this country past the expiration of a visa is a criminal act.

What else can you call it?

Anything done after this point, which is not done to rectify the situation, is another criminal act.

This make ALL these people ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Period. End of discussion.

We do not need any "comprehensive immigration legislation". We just need to enforce the laws which are already on the books. We can deport all of them the same way they came here. One at a time if need be.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Pretty sure every tax payer they scam money off of in the form of welfare or tax returns are the victim. Pretty sure taking something that's not rightfully yours is theft. So let's put that argument to bed.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 05:15 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

No there is no enforcement happening against either the criminal or the businesses supporting them



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 06:25 PM
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TPTB are screwing with us.
They are turning everything upside down and inside out.
Breaking laws doesn't make you a criminal any more.
Gender bending.
We have a freaking candidate for POTUS that is a freaking criminal.



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