Sanders Campaign Prepares For Run As An Independent

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Oh dear. Turn on the news, read a paper. I'm not going shopping for you right now. But suit yourself, as to what you cling to. Makes no difference to me.

Perhaps if you are in Canada, it hasn't been mentioned there as much.

With the attitude you have, I'm not sure anything would be acceptable to you anyway. So, why bother?

I couldn't find any objective reporting, anywhere is the US. C'mon, throw me a friggin' bone here. Show me the objective reporting.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: AlaskanDad

a reply to: AlaskanDad

I would bet a Trump, Sanders, Hilary election would be split 33/33/33...it would be close and as long as Hilary doesn't win I guess I could live with one of the other two.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

I was soooo hoping he would instead throw his full support and resources into backing Jill Stein. Running as an independent makes no sense.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: AlaskanDad

I was soooo hoping he would instead throw his full support and resources into backing Jill Stein. Running as an independent makes no sense.

Why shouldn't he run as an independent? I bet he would have a good chance to beat Hilary and Trump.

Holy crap. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results tonight. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the freaking frick are they losing? This can't be happening. I'm having a flipping breakdown. I don't want to believe the world is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want Bernie to win a title for The Land. I cannot frickin deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought they were supposed to steal one in the Oracle???? This is so fed.

Mah tendies!

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: AlaskanDad

I was soooo hoping he would instead throw his full support and resources into backing Jill Stein. Running as an independent makes no sense.

Why shouldn't he run as an independent? I bet he would have a good chance to beat Hilary and Trump.

That would require current Trumpkins to defect and support Sanders. I don't understand why they would do that.

Why support a loud, whiny, flip-flopping, corporatist one day and then a quiet, strong, consistent, socialist the next?

Man, y'all crack me up.

Libertarian Candidate Gary Johnson Leads Hillary Clinton Among Independents

www.zerohedge.com...

As it currently stands, there are already two intriguing third party candidates running in 2016 with reasonable ballot access: Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party and Jill Stein of the Green Party. They are starting to be included in more polls, and the results can be very interesting. For example, The Hill reports: Libertarian Party presidential nominee Gary Johnson leads presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton among self-identified independents, a new poll finds. A Fox News survey released Thursday found Clinton leading overall with 39 percent support, followed by Donald Trump at 36 percent and Johnson at 12 percent. But among independents, Trump leads, at 32 percent, followed by Johnson, at 23, and Clinton, at 22. It’s the latest sign of early polling strength from Johnson, who many believe is poised for the best showing from a third-party candidate in decades. The former New Mexico governor has been on a media blitz and urging pollsters to include him in their surveys. The Presidential Debates Commission requires candidates poll at 15 percent in five polls leading up to the debates to qualify, but many pollsters only survey the two major party candidates. In polls that have included Johnson recently, he’s landed in the 10 to 12 percent range — well within striking distance of where he needs to be to qualify. Johnson told The Hill recently that he believes his polling numbers will go up once Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders drops out of the race. The Fox News survey found Johnson taking 8 percent support from Democrats — better than Trump’s 7 percent support. Trump has similarly made an appeal to Sanders supporters. Among Republicans, Johnson takes 11 percent, compared to only 6 percent for Clinton. The former secretary of State has talked about reaching out to members of the GOP who say they can never support Trump.

originally posted by: olaru12
The DNC has some surprises in store; And when they become apparent the Trump supporters will look like this guy.....

Thats what I'm thinking.
Hillary has a secret weapon that Trump just can't use because he's a "conservative" now.

I've been thinking about this secret weapon for a couple of years now and I know that Hillary is going to unleash it.
Once she releases her "plan" to the public, she will soak up the youth and fringe votes (probably even mine) if I actually believe her. But the thing is, is that I can actually see it happening.

This however should be a separate thread maybe.

originally posted by: muse7
Any "progressive" that is advocating and cheering for a 3rd party Sanders run is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Sanders already said he would never run 3rd party and he has already rejected Jill Stein's invitation.

That's quite the extreme position.

Perhaps you should've said "Any Democrat that is advocating and cheering for a 3rd party Sanders run is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously." Because you're making a preposterous assumption that all progressives support the Democratic Party. Not only are there Green Party branches throughout the US, but there are other left wing parties too.

The modern Democratic Party is a center-right party except on some social issues. In no way does it represent all "progressive" causes and views.

ETA:
For example, is the Democratic Party pacifist? No.

Is it in favor of income equality and fighting economic corruption? No. It also props up Wall St & a Dem majority Congress literally bailed them out, then refused to prosecute the banking institutions who committed financial crimes. They won't even prosecute HSBC after they were found to be laundering money for Mexico's cartels.

Is it in favor of peace in the MidEast? No. It's also close allies w/the Wahhabi regimes of the GCC, backs constant Mideast wars and military interventions, and refuses to be an honest broker between Palestine and Israel.

Is it in favor of a fair criminal justice system. No! Democratic politicians promote and prosecute the "War on Drugs" just as much as Repubs do. They also use the Drug War as a pretense to meddle in Latin American countries, just like Repubs do. And even Democratic-controlled States and agencies still target minorities disproportionately for their enforcement policies. Chicago's police scandals and their subsequent coverups should be prime examples of this (and California's prison system scandals).

Ok, so what about single payer healthcare? LOL!!! Even when the Dems had a supermajority in both chambers of Congress, what did they do? They passed a pro-health insurance industry, pro-pharma healthcare law that was literally based on Republican Mitt Romney's plan in Massachusetts! Those cowards even reneged on adding a public option.

Should I even touch climate change and comprehensive immigration reform? Also, when will the Dem Party actually push for equal voting rights like Washington DC, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the other US territories? Needless to say, the Democratic Party isn't "progressive" at all, especially at the national level. Maybe they're "more progressive than their Republican colleagues", but that's not the same things as being "progressive".

originally posted by: muse7

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: muse7

I'm not going to reward her or the DNC with my vote.

Donald Trump appreciates your vote

Why do you feel the need to shame people into voting for someone they don't want to vote for?

Wouldn't our democracy be stronger if people felt free to vote for whom they want rather then be shamed or frightened into supporting the corrupt two party system we currently enjoy?

Would the current Congress prefer to work with a President Clinton, or a President Sanders?

originally posted by: carewemust
Would the current Congress prefer to work with a President Clinton, or a President Sanders?

A Republican controlled Congress shut the government down when her husband was President. And it impeached him, dragging the nation into a long witch trial over the Lewinsky scandal. And the current Repub controlled Congress has been hounding her for years over Benghazi. And their constituents will want the same level of hounding over this private email server scandal. And this hasn't even touched on the possible conflicts of interest between the Clinton Foundation and foreign donors.

I think the answer should be clear on your question.

Well, the good news is that if Bernie runs as an independent, Hillary probably won't win the presidency...

But Bernie won't win, he's just ensuring a Trump victory if he does indeed run as an independent. All of those previous democrats will have to re-register as independents very quickly. I'll wager most of them don't and millions of votes will not be counted.

I find it funny how many Bernie supporters are bran new to the political process and actually believe this is the first time a candidate has been screwed by the media and the elite. A large portion of Bernie supporters were once Paul supporters, (even tho Bernie and Paul are total opposites politically speaking) yet seem to forget 2012 and 2008 for that matter... and the super old school leftist Bernie supporters should REALLY know better and think back to the Ralph Nader days.

The leftie know-it-alls seem to not really know that much, but good luck!

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: AlaskanDad

I'm not blaming anybody. But Bernie. He's a great guy I'm sure, but he would be staggeringly impotent as President. He won't just be a lame duck, he will go in as a paralyzed one

Why in the world would you NOT want a lame duck congress when they are owned by special interest?

Everything they get done is for the benefit of special interest and not the people.


from Princeton study

Researchers concluded that U.S. government policies rarely align with the preferences of the majority of Americans, but do favour special interests and lobbying organizations:

"When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favour policy change, they generally do not get it."

a reply to: AlaskanDad

I hate the fact that the article is cut off after a certain point. But ifbthia is true then this election will be one hell of a showdown.

Bernie should go independent now and leave the DNC to handle their only candidate swimming in net slum.

I am still voting for senator Sanders no matter what.

I could see only one reason that Bernie would run as a independent.

That is if HC lost in the FBI primary and Joe Biden was slipped in by the DNC to replace her.

That in itself would vacate any pledge that he had with the DNC.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Sanders has an obligation to keep faith with those who backed him. Those people do so because they despise Hillary as much as Republicans do... That is why.

Hillary and the DNC no longer stand for the people they claim to represent.

The vote in California in some area's is being questioned now, Bernie signs everywhere, people that live in the area say no way Hilary won in their county/district because everybody they know and work with and family were all voting for him, yet Hilary still won...something stinks here.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Like what? Whats going to happen?