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Will Millenials and Independents unify with Clinton?

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posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 01:57 PM
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Will Millenials and Independents unify with Clinton?

I have a hard time believing that his supporters who are seeking change in the status quo can just ignore everything they stand for by bowing out or holding their noses to vote the party line! 


After meeting with President Barack Obama at the White House, Sanders pledged to work with Hillary Clinton to defeat Donald Trump this fall.

CNN asked Sanders' supporters at a rally here to reflect on the senator's campaign. They expressed a mixture of disappointment and defiance, as well as pride about what Sanders has accomplished. They also shared their trepidation about Clinton and Trump.


CNN Source

I can understand their disappointment. Bernie stayed the course speaking straight forward to them and allowed them to dream revolutionary ideas of changing the established system. 



A Fox News survey released Thursday found Clinton leading overall with 39 percent support, followed by Donald Trump at 36 percent and Johnson at 12 percent. 

But among independents, Trump leads, at 32 percent, followed by Johnson, at 23, and Clinton, at 22. 

It’s the latest sign of early polling strength from Johnson, who many believe is poised for the best showing from a third-party candidate in decades.


Obviously, they don't have to toss out their votes, hold their noses, nor give up on their ideas of creating a real change in this election process. 


The Fox News survey found Johnson taking 8 percent support from Democrats — better than Trump’s 7 percent support. Trump has similarly made an appeal to Sanders supporters.

Among Republicans, Johnson takes 11 percent, compared to only 6 percent for Clinton. The former secretary of State has talked about reaching out to members of the GOP who say they can never support Trump.

The socially liberal Johnson, who supports gay marriage, abortion rights and legalizing marijuana, does best among young voters, taking 18 percent support among those under the age of 35.


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With more media attention, Johnson is becoming recognized by the major media outlets. Will the Independents/Millenials turn towards this fringe candidate to pull out a personal revolutionary snub to the Democrats and Republicans? 

I am still officially undecided. I have become quite annoyed with the repeated rants and proproganda from the Clinton and Trump factions. It really has left me lacklustered and zombified! I can't imagine that I am alone. 

The recent major media attention for Johnson may be a sign that they are realizing that they are losing viewers too. Johnson may be just what they need to increase more interests in this final election cycle...especially in the upcoming General Election debates. Trump vs Clinton will just be a mash-up regurgitated...add a little fringe and tickle the public's fancy. Eh? Or will this just lead to too much to take in and we are all left vomiting?

What do you think? 

Fox News Survey 6-9-2016



edit on 6 11 2016 by CynConcepts because: Added survey link




posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:06 PM
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It seems real odd that Sanders, after meeting with several "establishment" people, would within minutes turn around and support an establishment position.

What a jilt to Bernie supporters.

All he has stood for recently is down the drain.

I think many will just vote Green Party in November, or write him in.




posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:10 PM
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Best thing would be for Bernie to run independent. I believe he could take it.

The only reason there is any support for Johnson is because: 1. Bernie is not running independent and 2. people would rather vote ANYONE else, regardless of who it is.

It will boil down to people just not voting at all rather than support the HUMP race.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:11 PM
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As a Millenial not a freaking chance.

No more dynasty politicians. No more Wall Streets sellouts so sick of it. Sick of seeing illegals put our small contractors out of business or making it impossible for small contractors to expand in a competitive market.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

I think many will just vote Green Party in November, or write him in.



I imagine at this point, many have spent all of their time focused on Bernie and only heard about Jill Stein through connections. The Liberterian Party candidate is already on 50 states ballots for the general election.

Don't you think that if Johnson managed to get into the debates and get known, he might not appeal to their idealism of change? I have most supporters state their reasoning was based on change more than any of the real issues that Bernie was stating.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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Don't rule out the millenials voting for Sanders in the 2016 presidential race!

Sanders Campaign Prepares For Run As An Independent


Support Sen Sanders!



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: CynConcepts

Resounding, Nope.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: SgtHamsandwich
Best thing would be for Bernie to run independent. I believe he could take it.

The only reason there is any support for Johnson is because: 1. Bernie is not running independent and 2. people would rather vote ANYONE else, regardless of who it is.

It will boil down to people just not voting at all rather than support the HUMP race.


Well, I am sure that I seen that Biden and Obama encouraged Bernie to stay in until the convention. I believe Johnson scares the establishment. If Bernie stepped down now, many may recognize Johnson and seriously hurt Clinton in the polls. The super delegates would look elsewhere quick!



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:19 PM
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Yes I think the official Libertarian Party is set to get lots of votes.

I support it.

But the confusion is the fact that Sanders being a Democrat Socialist is not even close to the Libertarian platform.

We have many people supporting the Libertarians and supporting the Bernie platform at the same time.

They are actually quite different in their idealisms.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: CynConcepts
Will Millenials and Independents unify with Clinton?


Trump and Clinton are both despicable human beings, I suspect it's going to come down to the VP pick in either direction. Millennials like Warren and Sanders but if Trump picked someone like Ryan I think he would have a chance. Most in my generation care about two things. We want a sustainable budget/deficit, and we want to stay out of war. Whoever can sell that idea while also not gutting a social safety net will win the election.

On second thought maybe Ryan isn't the guy to do that, he's got a great record as a deficit hawk but some of his proposals have been insane.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:21 PM
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I have a strong feeling that Clinton is going to take a beating from Trump. Look at how much her stance has changed in 2 months on everything.

She just retorts whatever she's told too but the establishment and when that's revealed Americans are going to turn.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
As a Millenial not a freaking chance.

No more dynasty politicians. No more Wall Streets sellouts so sick of it. Sick of seeing illegals put our small contractors out of business or making it impossible for small contractors to expand in a competitive market.


Honestly, anyone as President will be limited by the game in play. I admit I like Johnson's ideas on taxation and term limits. Yet, even if by some miracle he was elected he will be facing a government that is addicted to $$$ and their cushy positions.

Yet, I am looking at them having a more balanced understanding on how to reach their suggested goals than just believe they can rule the world. Even Bernie emphasized his ideas would not be a reality without legislative change and approval.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:34 PM
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The president can choose to empower ICE and other agencies to actually enforce our laws.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:37 PM
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From what I've read the young people view Clinton as part of the corrupt establishment.

They think Donald is racist scum

So who gets the vote... Crooked or Crazy



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
Don't rule out the millenials voting for Sanders in the 2016 presidential race!

Sanders Campaign Prepares For Run As An Independent


Support Sen Sanders!


I have seen Jill Stein is on the ballot for General Election. I would assume with deadlines for many states, Bernie would have to run as VP to her. Even then, he would hurt Hillary more than Trump.

I can see his campaign and supporters may not want to give up the fight, but Bernie has spent years engrossed in a two party world and has a greater dislike of seeing a Trump presidency. It makes more political sense to support Hillary in that scenario. Even if Johnson pulled some of trumps supporters, Bernie running independently would hurt the democrats more.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: CynConcepts

Yes I think the official Libertarian Party is set to get lots of votes.

I support it.

But the confusion is the fact that Sanders being a Democrat Socialist is not even close to the Libertarian platform.

We have many people supporting the Libertarians and supporting the Bernie platform at the same time.

They are actually quite different in their idealisms.



It seems so, but I am basing this on those I have talked to and seen their comments. Many would probably swing green party, but others just liked how he offered a change other than Hillary and not a repugnant republican candidate. For those, Johnson may seem like a change in politics they could connect with. Sure it is my opinion.

Personally, I felt the bern in the beginning. He lost me at the Flint Michigan debates. I tried to like Trump, but I am not disillisional. He is just way too much and really just rants and offers nothing on the issues. Just getting to know Johnson. Hoping to see him in debates, so I can decide if he is worth my vote.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: CynConcepts
Will Millenials and Independents unify with Clinton?


Trump and Clinton are both despicable human beings, I suspect it's going to come down to the VP pick in either direction. Millennials like Warren and Sanders but if Trump picked someone like Ryan I think he would have a chance. Most in my generation care about two things. We want a sustainable budget/deficit, and we want to stay out of war. Whoever can sell that idea while also not gutting a social safety net will win the election.

On second thought maybe Ryan isn't the guy to do that, he's got a great record as a deficit hawk but some of his proposals have been insane.


That is why I am hoping to hear more from Johnson. He is the least war mongering. Another thread shared a couple of his interviews and I must say, he makes more sense than the other two candidates. He really has some valid points on Trumps military strategy being insane.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: CynConcepts

I have a strong feeling that Clinton is going to take a beating from Trump. Look at how much her stance has changed in 2 months on everything.

She just retorts whatever she's told too but the establishment and when that's revealed Americans are going to turn.


Seriously, Trump has made some turns too and his supporters just lap it up. They both just keep saying what they think their contingency and independents may want to hear. Trump has been steadily falling in many polls. That is why I think Johnson may have a chance. He does not seem afraid of really being transparent, yet he does so without offense. Just straight talk.



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:57 PM
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We'll Trump is really shooting himself in the foot over this idiotic judge issue.

People are tired of Clintons and establishment politics and the general direction our country is headed in.

4-8 more years of the same and we're going to see a real spark in the Millennials as they continue to realize more and more how bad they got #ed over.

The thing is Trump is super intelligent and although he's emotional I think he's going to really put it on.

What you see on MSM and what you see when he's speaking in front of a crowd is 2 totally different people.

Something tells me we're going to see some changes in his rhetoric at the next debate.
edit on 6/11/2016 by onequestion because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 11 2016 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: CynConcepts

The president can choose to empower ICE and other agencies to actually enforce our laws.


Too be honest, I think Johnson's immigration ideas may not meet your needs. I actually have to give more credit into his ideas on immigration though. He was a two-termed Ex-Governor of New Mexico. If anyone has experience with illegal immigrants, it would be him and not a trump nor Clinton.



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