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Revealed: Hundreds of claimants say deadbeat Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

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posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 07:20 PM
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uh oh,




Hundreds of former employees and business associates say that former reality TV star and presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is a grifter and a deadbeat who never paid them for their work. According to USA Today, Trump has left a trail of broken promises and debts in his wake over the years as a result of his long string of failed businesses, multiple bankruptcies and a cavalier attitude regarding his obligations to others.


Donald, you gots some splainin to do....




“Donald Trump often portrays himself as a savior of the working class who will ‘protect your job.'” said the newspaper. “But a USA TODAY NETWORK analysis found he has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits over the past three decades — and a large number of those involve ordinary Americans who say Trump or his companies have refused to pay them.”


www.rawstory.com...

politicalwire.com...

www.usatoday.com...

Is this the final nail in Trumps campaign? I'm curious as to how his supporters will spin this revelation or just outright deny it.
Perhaps it's just me but **^$%ING people out of money you owe them doesn't seem very presidential.

Donald isn't stupid...he knew this was going to be revealed sooner or later....as I have alluded to in the past...He wants to lose!!!

Gotta love American politics...still not the same without Sarah!!
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posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 07:23 PM
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Obviously, the way to get Trump to pay you for your services is to get elected.



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 07:28 PM
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Trump admitted this months back... it was his sound bite for about 2 weeks.

"I don't pay for crappy jobs".

He ain't gonna explain s#.

He'll lap up more adoration from his Cult.



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 07:40 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Trump admitted this months back... it was his sound bite for about 2 weeks.

"I don't pay for crappy jobs".

He ain't gonna explain s#.

He'll lap up more adoration from his Cult.


I can agree with that, but this latest revelation probably won't endear or enhance his standing with the American working man.

Interesting to watch the poll numbers tomorrow.


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posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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I read the USA Today article because the other one simply cited it. Clearly the author of the article (and the author of the OP in this thread) know nothing about construction/development and didn't bother to do any research.

Mechanics liens and claims are par for the course for most very large, mulit-million dollar projects. Just because a claim is made, does not mean that the subcontractor making the claim is correct. The article does not seem to look into the why claims were denied.

Case in point. The project I'm managing now is relatively small ($11,000,000). I received a request for a change order from the roofing subcontractor (through the general contractor) for additional costs associated with labor and material to apply additional coats of applied waterproofing. The long and short of it is the subcontractor didn't anticipate that the wood plank roof would absorb as much of the waterproofing as it did. Although on a personal level I feel for them, and this mistake will eat up some of their profit, there is no way I can justify paying them additional funds for a mistake that they made while putting their bid together. In other words, the wood planks that were installed prior to their work were as shown in the original contract drawings. The problem they have is a mistake that their estimator made while preparing their bid. If we had made changes to the they type of wood that was installed and this change caused them to require additional material, then they would have a valid claim.

In this case, the change order is being denied. At the end of the project they will request a Commissioner's Determination, which will be denied. Then they will file a lien against the project, which the General Contractor's bonding company will deal with. Then, if they think it's worth while, they will attempt to sue.

This is one of many such situations going on regarding one $11,000,000 project. When you have the portfolio that Trump has with (I'm guessing) billions of dollars worth of construction, I would be shocked if there weren't tons and tons of liens and unresolved claims and law suits.

I also have questions about other parts of the article. How many of the delayed payment claims are due to the Trump organizations directly versus the CM firms or GCs that are slow to make payment to subcontractors. Most construction contracts between GCs and subcontractors have "pay when paid" clauses meaning that when a subcontractor completes work, they will get paid when the GC gets paid. I have seen more instances than I can remember when an owner pays the GC, only to receive desperate phone calls months later from a subcontractor informing me that the GC hadn't paid them. The article provides absolutely no information about these types of allegations... at all.

As far as individual workers getting paid, that too has nothing to do with Trumps organizations. As far a construction goes, the developer typically pays only a general contractor (or a CM if they hire a CM... and when a CM is involved the developer my have a single payment to the CM who will pay the GC or the two contracts may be separate). Ultimately, any individual "worker" would never, ever receive a paycheck from the developer. Their paychecks get cut by the contractor that they work for.




Is this the final nail in Trumps campaign?


Nope. Because....




I'm curious as to how his supporters will spin this revelation or just outright deny it.


There is nothing to spin or explain away. The only person who has "splainin' to do" in my estimation is the author of the article to his bosses because he CLEARLY was writing about things he knows nothing about and lacked to learn about.



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: eluryh22
I read the USA Today article because the other one simply cited it. Clearly the author of the article (and the author of the OP in this thread) know nothing about construction/development and didn't bother to do any research.

Mechanics liens and claims are par for the course for most very large, mulit-million dollar projects. Just because a claim is made, does not mean that the subcontractor making the claim is correct. The article does not seem to look into the why claims were denied.

Case in point. The project I'm managing now is relatively small ($11,000,000). I received a request for a change order from the roofing subcontractor (through the general contractor) for additional costs associated with labor and material to apply additional coats of applied waterproofing. The long and short of it is the subcontractor didn't anticipate that the wood plank roof would absorb as much of the waterproofing as it did. Although on a personal level I feel for them, and this mistake will eat up some of their profit, there is no way I can justify paying them additional funds for a mistake that they made while putting their bid together. In other words, the wood planks that were installed prior to their work were as shown in the original contract drawings. The problem they have is a mistake that their estimator made while preparing their bid. If we had made changes to the they type of wood that was installed and this change caused them to require additional material, then they would have a valid claim.

In this case, the change order is being denied. At the end of the project they will request a Commissioner's Determination, which will be denied. Then they will file a lien against the project, which the General Contractor's bonding company will deal with. Then, if they think it's worth while, they will attempt to sue.

This is one of many such situations going on regarding one $11,000,000 project. When you have the portfolio that Trump has with (I'm guessing) billions of dollars worth of construction, I would be shocked if there weren't tons and tons of liens and unresolved claims and law suits.

I also have questions about other parts of the article. How many of the delayed payment claims are due to the Trump organizations directly versus the CM firms or GCs that are slow to make payment to subcontractors. Most construction contracts between GCs and subcontractors have "pay when paid" clauses meaning that when a subcontractor completes work, they will get paid when the GC gets paid. I have seen more instances than I can remember when an owner pays the GC, only to receive desperate phone calls months later from a subcontractor informing me that the GC hadn't paid them. The article provides absolutely no information about these types of allegations... at all.

As far as individual workers getting paid, that too has nothing to do with Trumps organizations. As far a construction goes, the developer typically pays only a general contractor (or a CM if they hire a CM... and when a CM is involved the developer my have a single payment to the CM who will pay the GC or the two contracts may be separate). Ultimately, any individual "worker" would never, ever receive a paycheck from the developer. Their paychecks get cut by the contractor that they work for.




Is this the final nail in Trumps campaign?


Nope. Because....




I'm curious as to how his supporters will spin this revelation or just outright deny it.


There is nothing to spin or explain away. The only person who has "splainin' to do" in my estimation is the author of the article to his bosses because he CLEARLY was writing about things he knows nothing about and lacked to learn about.








Booya. Thread closed.


iTruthSeeker



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: eluryh22

Yeah...but it makes for good propaganda for the Hillary sycophants...so they ran with it.
Great sober and intelligent analysis eluryh22.



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: eluryh22

Spin it how you want. I've had landlords that were Mother Mary compared to this guy. Case in point:


"Not paying for crappy work. But will you do that work again please?"




In the meeting, Donald Trump told his father that the company’s work was inferior, Friel said, even though the general contractor on the casino had approved it. The bottom line, Trump told Edward Friel, was the company wouldn't get the final payment. Then, Friel said Trump added something that struck the family as bizarre. Trump told his dad that he could work on other Trump projects in the future.





“Wait a minute,” Paul Friel said, recalling his family's reaction to his dad’s account of the meeting. “Why would the Trump family want a company who they say their work is inferior to work for them in the future?”


If you'd like to taste bile...

Crook all the way. Wait, "savy business man fit to run a country" all the way


ETA: I feel the need to point this out here (because I know what's coming my way...), but I'm not advocating for her either. She can be a vomit inducing power ranger all by herself...


edit on 9-6-2016 by DuckforcoveR because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: eluryh22
I read the USA Today article because the other one simply cited it. Clearly the author of the article (and the author of the OP in this thread) know nothing about construction/development and didn't bother to do any research.

Mechanics liens and claims are par for the course for most very large, mulit-million dollar projects. Just because a claim is made, does not mean that the subcontractor making the claim is correct. The article does not seem to look into the why claims were denied.

Case in point. The project I'm managing now is relatively small ($11,000,000). I received a request for a change order from the roofing subcontractor (through the general contractor) for additional costs associated with labor and material to apply additional coats of applied waterproofing. The long and short of it is the subcontractor didn't anticipate that the wood plank roof would absorb as much of the waterproofing as it did. Although on a personal level I feel for them, and this mistake will eat up some of their profit, there is no way I can justify paying them additional funds for a mistake that they made while putting their bid together. In other words, the wood planks that were installed prior to their work were as shown in the original contract drawings. The problem they have is a mistake that their estimator made while preparing their bid. If we had made changes to the they type of wood that was installed and this change caused them to require additional material, then they would have a valid claim.

In this case, the change order is being denied. At the end of the project they will request a Commissioner's Determination, which will be denied. Then they will file a lien against the project, which the General Contractor's bonding company will deal with. Then, if they think it's worth while, they will attempt to sue.

This is one of many such situations going on regarding one $11,000,000 project. When you have the portfolio that Trump has with (I'm guessing) billions of dollars worth of construction, I would be shocked if there weren't tons and tons of liens and unresolved claims and law suits.

I also have questions about other parts of the article. How many of the delayed payment claims are due to the Trump organizations directly versus the CM firms or GCs that are slow to make payment to subcontractors. Most construction contracts between GCs and subcontractors have "pay when paid" clauses meaning that when a subcontractor completes work, they will get paid when the GC gets paid. I have seen more instances than I can remember when an owner pays the GC, only to receive desperate phone calls months later from a subcontractor informing me that the GC hadn't paid them. The article provides absolutely no information about these types of allegations... at all.

As far as individual workers getting paid, that too has nothing to do with Trumps organizations. As far a construction goes, the developer typically pays only a general contractor (or a CM if they hire a CM... and when a CM is involved the developer my have a single payment to the CM who will pay the GC or the two contracts may be separate). Ultimately, any individual "worker" would never, ever receive a paycheck from the developer. Their paychecks get cut by the contractor that they work for.




Is this the final nail in Trumps campaign?


Nope. Because....




I'm curious as to how his supporters will spin this revelation or just outright deny it.


There is nothing to spin or explain away. The only person who has "splainin' to do" in my estimation is the author of the article to his bosses because he CLEARLY was writing about things he knows nothing about and lacked to learn about.








Booya. Thread closed.


iTruthSeeker


I think rather than close the thread.... it should be moved to the Hoax forum.



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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LOL amen



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: eluryh22

Yeah...but it makes for good propaganda for the Hillary sycophants...so they ran with it.
Great sober and intelligent analysis eluryh22.


I'm starting to appreciate the "Deny Ignorance" phrase.



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:46 PM
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I have a question.

Has he ever released his tax return?



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: DuckforcoveR




Spin it how you want. I've had landlords that were Mother Mary compared to this guy. Case in point:

Not paying for crappy work. But will you do that work again please?


As I originally said, there is no need for spin because anyone with a fair amount of knowledge or experience in the development/construction industries understands there is nothing to the allegations. (I'm not sure why you linked to the article that I had already discussed).

To your point about "Not paying for crappy work. But will you do that work again please?".... Do you understand that a contractor can have many, many successful projects but screw up on one here and there? I've worked with GC's and all types of subcontractors that, from my own experience, I know produce high quality work and stay on schedule. Unfortunately, on some occasions those same contractors, for various reasons, fail on certain projects. It does not mean I would never approve them in the future.




I feel the need to point this out here (because I know what's coming my way...), but I'm not advocating for her either. She can be a vomit inducing power ranger all by herself...


I certainly understand your stating that because I'm going to be accused of being a Trump apologist. I've always said and for the foreseeable future will say that no matter which party wins, the "average American" will lose a little bit more. The reason why this thread struck a chord with me is not because it was attacking Trump but because this industry has been a huge part of my life and I don't like it when people speak about it without knowing what they are talking about.



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:51 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
I have a question.

Has he ever released his tax return?


Just for fun....

Maybe he e-mailed them to Hillary's server? No, wait, they were on the IRS's Lerner's hard drive.



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
I have a question.

Has he ever released his tax return?


Ze IRS saz nyet.




posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee
I have a question.

Has he ever released his tax return?


Ze IRS saz nyet.



That's what I thought



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: eluryh22

originally posted by: Annee
I have a question.

Has he ever released his tax return?


Just for fun....

Maybe he e-mailed them to Hillary's server? No, wait, they were on the IRS's Lerner's hard drive.






posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 09:04 PM
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*Didn't read the article *
The truth doesn't matter anymore. Most people made up their minds months ago, and will ignore any information the discredits him, and lap up any that reinforces their opinion. He could eat a baby on national tv and it would be spun into somehow making America great again.

Really though, that goes for just about anyone in the populace and their chosen candidate.
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posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 09:04 PM
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What you brought up is true in "some" cases but not all...

Let me give an example of the other side of the coin. ...my brother is a licensed plumber and he does damn good work at a fair price

Long story short.....he got about $20,000 deep into a commercial job. ..and then for whatever reason the "developer" decides to pull the plug on the project. Leaving the GC and the subs hanging. To my knowledge my brother has never gotten paid for that job..and $20,000 isn't chump change for a one man show.

I feel quite confident that Trump probably has a few of these type situations in his portfolio......don't you ?



posted on Jun, 9 2016 @ 09:09 PM
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Reality TV star?

Multiple failed businesses?

Kind of sounds like a hit piece to me. They won't even acknowledge he's a very successful businessman.



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