Aryanam Vaijah the ancient home land of Aryans

a reply to: cenpuppie

I actually don't believe the Aryan's were a blond blue eye'd people but rather a tribe of barbaric Eurasian raiders whom conquered India sweeping through the indus valley and laying waste to the city's that then thrived there, they may actually have been more Eurasian, now Eurasian's are diverse and range from oriental to arab like to european in appearance, there are european looking afghan's for example, so they may have looked more like the indian's do today and of course the high cast indian's are supposed to be there descendant's.

There is very little actual evidence to suggest that western european's are truly related to the Aryan's of that name, the German language family is based on an indo European language while the Gaelic languages are derived from the Semitic/North african language family's.

originally posted by: cenpuppie
Folks sure are adamant on the non existence of these Aryans. It was made up or misinterpreted by people back then because well, racism

Other way around, I'm afraid.

Aryan (which means "noble") is an Indian term: en.wikipedia.org... and refers not only to people but to their original homeland: en.wikipedia.org...

...and as you can see, it's in India. Unarguably.

It falls into more racial lines around the 1800's, when early scholars proposed it as the homeland of the "proto-Iranian" culture; a group that was the source language, etc, for Europeans.

The source material for the original web page pointed to in the OP is full of "channeled" information and things from the 1500's that are known to be incorrect.

So, yes, Aryans are real. But the rest of the material... no.

originally posted by: Byrd


The source material for the original web page pointed to in the OP is full of "channelled" information and things from the 1500's that are known to be incorrect.

Channelled information.....sorry but are you smoking something, what exactly did I post that was channelled?

a reply to: LABTECH767

If you want to see what the Aryans looked like the mummies in China belong to the same haplogroup as the Aryans ( R1a), were in Asia at the same time as the Aryans and their lifestyle etc fits the description given of the Aryans. The Aryans were actually Scythians

a reply to: zinc12

Also you may be interested in researching the legendary female warrior's of Greek legend the Amazon whom were probably a real people but were more equal than female dominated or matriarchal (there are real matriarchal society's however including a tribe in china) and today in part's of southern Russia and in eurasia many people are still born with Red or Auburn hair and green eye's, the woman whom show's these trait's are often tall, strong and to european eye's very attractive.

They are not the Aryan's of the Nazi ideological mythology however and are more closely related to the Slavic races such as the Russian's and even the Pole's, the Aryan's (Arya's) of India also have NO proven link and they were of course the real Aryan's from whom the term is derived while the Arya's/Aryan's were probably only one of many race's and tribe's that had similar and divergant characteristic's.

I read a long time ago now, the Nordic races of Western Europe where back in the 1990's thought to have a distinct lineage about 40.000 years old and the Gaelic speaking races (usually known as celt's though that is a misnomer as Celt was a culture not a race and is throught to have originated in southern Germany south of the rhine with no link to the Thule (whom were a siberian race and are believed to be the ancestor's of the Inuit among others)) were thought to have a lineage as a distinct group (though once again all of western europe is heavily mixed so it is difficult to sample and back then other techniques as well as early genetic profiling were used) of about 60.000 years.

The mummies of the Taklamackan are not necessarily an Aryan group, european yes but Aryan? and are essentially evidence of a tribe that migrated EAST or south east from eurasia or siberia and not one that migrated from the EAST into eurasia, there descendant's are still there today as they are ancestor's of a great proportion of the western chinese and now they are so intermingled with the mongoloid races that they very seldom show those ancestral trait's though periodically a child is born with green eye's and auburn hair.

Now admitedly I am basing this on old DATA the same DATA that suggested that the Basque who live in spain and france are only about 10.000 years as a distinct genetic group.

And the data I have recalled is most likely long out of date and by now wrong or discarded, this is a far more recent survey but once again read that little section about the data contained should not be used as hard fact's.
www.eupedia.com...

Also the whole Aryan myth is perhaps just that and at best a controversial theory riddled with racist propeganda going back to those whom wished to paint the white race as superior to all other's when in fact a human is a human is a human and culture+religion play's a far more important role in shaping our nation's than race ever did.
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.quora.com...
www.ancient.eu...

www.forbes.com...

As for the Scythian's, there is ample evidence that this may be correct but then again they are probably only one of many group's, still they are one group we know about and that leaves the whole empty space in our knowledge which will have to remain a mystery for the time being.

a reply to: zinc12

good thread. there is a belt of villages in northern russia, where classical sanskrit, the language of the aryans, is still spoken to this day

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: zinc12



They are not the Aryan's of the Nazi ideological mythology however and are more closely related to the Slavic races such as the Russian's and even the Pole's, the Aryan's (Arya's) of India also have NO proven link and they were of course the real Aryan's from whom the term is derived while the Arya's/Aryan's were probably only one of many race's and tribe's that had similar and divergant characteristic's.

It is a mistake to think Aryan is an Indian term for it can be found in the Zoroastrian text and most of my quotes in the OP was from those text including the word that appears in the title of this thread "Aryanam Vaijah" which means homeland of the Aryans.

I read a long time ago now, the Nordic races of Western Europe where back in the 1990's thought to have a distinct lineage about 40.000 years old and the Gaelic speaking races (usually known as celt's though that is a misnomer as Celt was a culture not a race and is throught to have originated in southern Germany south of the rhine

The Irish are known to have closest genetic links to the people of the North of Spain

with no link to the Thule (whom were a siberian race and are believed to be the ancestor's of the Inuit among others))

Last time I researched that the people of Thule were thought to be the picts who later went into scotland, there are two places now called Thule the one in Greenland is the one with descendents from the Inuit.
en.wikipedia.org...

Also the whole Aryan myth is perhaps just that and at best a controversial theory riddled with racist propeganda going back to those whom wished to paint the white race as superior to all other's when in fact a human is a human is a human and culture+religion play's a far more important role in shaping our nation's than race ever did.

The Aryans are no myth they are frequently mentioned in the Vedic and Zorastrian text, both text state that they have a homeland in the north

The first-ever sequencing of ancient genomes extracted from human remains has revealed a previously unknown “fourth strand” of ancient European ancestry that eventually spread into south Asia, including India, a new study reported. DNA from ancient remains from the Caucasus proves that a small but important portion of the European genome comes from a distinct population of hunter-gatherers who survived the ice age by sheltering for several thousand years in the Caucasus Mountains on the present day Russian-Georgian border, a study appearing in Nature Communications explains. Around 22,000 years ago, as the ice age receded, those Caucasus peoples began to merge with horse-riding herders of the steppes of Eastern Europe,

“A similar population must have migrated into south Asia at some point,” says Eppie Jones, Ph.D. student from Trinity College who is the first author of the paper. “India is a complete mix of Asian and European genetic components. The Caucasus hunter-gatherer ancestry is the best match we’ve found for the European genetic component found right across modern Indian populations,” Jones elaborated.
www.albanydailystar.com...

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originally posted by: cenpuppie
Folks sure are adamant on the non existence of these Aryans. It was made up or misinterpreted by people back then because well, racism

"Aryan" simply means "noble" in Proto-Sanskrit. It is the base of the Sanskrit word "arhat," which can be translated as "holy man." Most of the "ethnography" of the so called "Indo-European peoples" is educated surmise by 19th German philologists, unsupported by any archaeological evidence. This linguistic research was perverted by occultists and used as the basis for racialist theories, culminating in Alfred Rosenberg and Nazism.

a reply to: zinc12

"The Aryas ('the noble ones') are said in the Avesta to have had their original home in the fair land of Airyana-Vaeja (the Cradle-land of the Aryas), which had been 'the first among the lands' created by Mazda. It was at the centre of the Earth and in its very centre stood the mountain Hara-bareza ('Alborz')."

All creation myths place the origin of people at the center of the Earth; the Garden of Eden, Mount Meru, etc. You should probably read more broadly rather than more deeply.

a reply to: DJW001

You mean all Indo_European mythology's place their homeland around the axial mountain, I know that's because they are all remembering the same history.

I said that one of the lands the Aryans inhabited was the far north of Russia. I presented genetic proof that the direct descendent of the Aryans in India (the high cast) are mostly European in origin and I have just presented genetic information that the European component has its closest genetic ties with those in south Russia...I think on the contrary you need to read broader as my argument is not based on emotion but genetics and the text of the Aryans.

a reply to: zinc12

You mean all Indo_European mythology's place their homeland around the axial mountain, I know that's because they are all remembering the same history.

Since when were the Hebrews, Tibetans, and Navajo Indo-Europeans?

I was interested in the Mercator map - the four rivers reminded me of the Swastika, a symbol I knew was common in India.

So I did a bit of rooting about and found this:

www.bbc.co.uk...

It's an article from the BBC tracing the history of the Swastika before the Nazis appropriated it. The article is long and takes a while to get to the good part - which is that the symbol can be found on ancient art from Northern Europe(and further South) as well as India.

I hope this is of interest to you. Some relevant excerpts from the article:

In the ancient Indian language of Sanskrit, swastika means "well-being". The symbol has been used by Hindus, Buddhists and Jains for millennia and is commonly assumed to be an Indian sign.

The irony is that the swastika is more European in origin than most people realise. Archaeological finds have long demonstrated that the swastika is a very old symbol, but ancient examples are by no means limited to India. It was used by the Ancient Greeks, Celts, and Anglo-Saxons and some of the oldest examples have been found in Eastern Europe, from the Baltic to the Balkans .

Among the museum's most highly prized treasures is a small ivory figurine of a female bird. Made from the tusk of a mammoth, it was found in 1908 at the Palaeolithic settlement of Mezin near the Russian border.

On the torso of the bird is engraved an intricate meander pattern of joined up swastikas. It's the oldest identified swastika pattern in the world and has been radio carbon-dated to an astonishing 15,000 years ago. The bird was found with a number of phallic objects which supports the idea that the swastika pattern was used as a fertility symbol.

a reply to: berenike

The swastika also appears in Native American art. Do the " Aryans" also claim that triangles are a " European invention?"

a reply to: DJW001

I have absolutely no idea. I posted some information that I thought might be relevant to the topic or of interest to th OP.

You know, trying to add something positive or worthy of proper debate.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: zinc12

You mean all Indo_European mythology's place their homeland around the axial mountain, I know that's because they are all remembering the same history.

Since when were the Hebrews, Tibetans, and Navajo Indo-Europeans?

Tibet has heavy Indian influence and India has heavy Aryan Influence.

Hebrews have taken much of their religious text from Zoroastrian text and the Zoroastrians call there ancestors Aryans

Navajo, have story's other races existing with them in antiquity and if I remember correctly there is also genetic proof of that.

a reply to: berenike

You know, trying to add something positive or worthy of proper debate.

Well then, if the swastika appears even in non-" Aryan" cultures, why do some think it is unique to them?

a reply to: zinc12

Tibet has heavy Indian influence and India has heavy Aryan Influence.

There is historical documentation of the spread of Buddhism into Tibet from India. Nothing to do with Ultima Thule.

Hebrews have taken much of their religious text from Zoroastrian text and the Zoroastrians call there ancestors Aryans

The Hebrews pre-date the Zoroastrians. Although Christianity was influenced by Zoroastrianism, the Hebrews got their mythology from the Sumerians by way of the Babylonians.

Navajo, have story's other races existing with them in antiquity and if I remember correctly there is also genetic proof of that.

Navajo mythology and genetic proof? That's like saying ink proves apples.

a reply to: berenike

I have seen the swastika on old bronze Celtic statues, carved into standing stones in Ireland and in the artwork of early Celtic bibles written on vellum.

The symbol was also found amongst the possessions of the Chinese mummies.